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Kensai
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PSBN Doug
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Joined: 04 Nov 2001
Posts: 3756
Location: Houston, TX
Styles: Kuk Sool Won
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| Mayur wrote: |
When you create a thread like this then expect to get dissed on since you hav'nt even trained in most of the arts which you have mentioned.
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He has express his opinion and stated it as such. He has also asked for everyone else's opinion to be expressed in a clam respectful manner. Therefore, he should not have to anticipate "dissin'" from anyone else for any reason.
If you feel disrespectful comments were made in another thread, you should contact one of the Sensei about it.
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niel0092
Brown Belt
Joined: 12 Jul 2001
Posts: 738
Location: Minnesota
Styles: Kali, TKD, judo (formerly)
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1) awarness
2) avoidence
3) deter
4) delay
5) your art here (aka disable and destroy)
6) an art you trained in slightly
7) an art you never trained in
8 ) an art you never heard of
Without knowing what's going on around and within you how can you defend yourself? Doesn't matter if you have a nth degree dan, if you are too unaware to see that fist comming in you're screwed. Avoiding a situation where you can is the best option. 3 and 4 lead up to using what you learned in 5. In my opinion 1-2 are arts in and of themselves and more important than what or who you studdied under. 7-8? can you really have an informed opinion about those? Fun to speculate certainly, but I wouldn't try to pass judgement. My own lack of knowledge is astonding(certaily makes me feel small at times), but I'm learning.
way too philosophical there... I'm getting some coffee now
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TJS
Black Belt
Joined: 27 Jan 2003
Posts: 1843
Styles: boxing, Thai boxing, BJJ,
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1. Okinawan Karate
2. Shoalin Kung Fu
3. Jui-jitsu
4. Akido
5. Hapkido
6. BJJ
7. Judo
8. traditional TKD
9. MMA
10. Muay Thai
Least Affective
1. American Kickboxing
2. WTF TKD
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Ok I have a few questions comments i must add about this..
1. how can TKD be more effective than MT? I can not think of one single reason why?
2. how can MMA be so low? so if someone was to mix your top two styles they wouldent be as good if they only did one? that logic makes no sense.
3. Okinawan karate..I would really like ot hear how this could be justified as the most effective for self defense?
Im not trying to flame or be rude or anythign but i really fail to see some of the reasoning behind your list. |
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jmy77
Orange Belt
Joined: 10 Feb 2003
Posts: 150
Location: Long Island, New York
Styles: White Tiger Kempo Karate
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I agree with niel.
effectiveness trancends any art - it is internal. anyone can learn katas and combinations, anyone can learn to roll. Strength and endurance are releative, it comes down to what inside the practioner, the fighter.
I know that it has been said many times before - but it is the fighter not the art which is effective. Kind of like saying guns don't kill people, people kill people. Your art being the gun...
Your art isn't what's effective, you are effective.
This would be more applicable if the question were which arts would you most want to train in, because, in a vieled way, that is the question.
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PunchPressQueen75
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Joined: 26 Mar 2002
Posts: 4570
Location: NY, USA
Styles: Tang Soo Do/TKD
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Everyone here is entitled to their opinions. There's nothing wrong with that. There's nothing wrong with a good debate. BUT, if someone starts putting down an art or the person themselves, we will take care of it. I didn't see anything wrong so far. It's just people's opinions. When someone starts say "Well so and so art sucks" or "This guy is a jurk" then I will or the another mod will remove it. Try to stay on subject as much as possible 
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jiu-jitsu fighter
Brown Belt
Joined: 02 Jan 2003
Posts: 606
Styles: praying mantis, ninjutsu, BJJ,Blauer
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jmy see thats where i have to disagree with you, the art does matter and not all "guns" are built the same way, some are better than others ,better accuracy,more bullets,better buit, etc.... you cannot say that, YES some arts are better than others its true,
although it is also true that if you are well trained in your system of combat you "should" be able to defend yourself, although this is rarely the case.
for an example, lets say a karate guy with one year experience fights a bjj guy or a silat/northern shaolin guy, with the same amount of experience, the silat/bjj/northern shaolin guy will win because the art is better and it is.
just because you claim something is false doesn't actually make it false, i know how some of you must feel when you spend years in your art and people tell you its sucks, BUT MAYBE IT DOES! and you realizing it is definately better than getting your a$$ kicked and not being prepared for a confrontation.
just something to think about and please, write a decent response not like, "oh no your wrong!"
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jmy77
Orange Belt
Joined: 10 Feb 2003
Posts: 150
Location: Long Island, New York
Styles: White Tiger Kempo Karate
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I don't see where I claimed anything be false. I think the point you make is that the mechanics in some systems are better than others. Am I correct?
I still feel it's the fighter that makes an art effective.
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"You don't have to like it, you just have to do it." - Captain Richard Marcinko, USN, Ret.
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jiu-jitsu fighter
Brown Belt
Joined: 02 Jan 2003
Posts: 606
Styles: praying mantis, ninjutsu, BJJ,Blauer
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thats what im trying to get at its not the person, if you give a person bad mechanics ,he can train them all he wants ,but if they''re bad mechanics than even if he is the best at doing them it makes no difference
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omnifinite
Purple Belt
Joined: 09 Apr 2002
Posts: 524
Location: Northern VA
Styles: Hapkido | Kempo | Jujitsu
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And the thread takes the predictable nosedive...
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on the post.
