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MuayThai Fighter
Blue Belt
Joined: 15 Feb 2003
Posts: 303
Location: Vancouver,BC
Styles: MuayThai,Submission Wrestling,Pankration,Karate
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 Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2003 5:30 am Post subject: Top 10 self-defense arts-What do you guys think? |
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This thread is only for discussion and opinions, NO FIGHTING please, I don't want another thread shut down.If you can't do without fighting go to another thread.
There has been statements about what should or are the top ten martial arts both from people,magazines,and tv.
As people who know from my other posts that I disagree with traditional arts being useful for self-defense,these are the arts I truely believe are the top 10 for self-defense.
1/ Mixed arts like pankration,savate,shooto,defendo etc.
2/.Muay Thai Kickboxing
3/American Kickboxing
4/Boxing
5/Submission Wrestling
6/Jujitsu
7/Judo
8/Bjj
9/Aikido
10/Kali and Arnis
The least effective arts:
Karate
Kung Fu
Tae Kwon do
and many others.
What are your guys belief for being top 10 martial arts for self-defense and why? |
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omnifinite
Purple Belt
Joined: 09 Apr 2002
Posts: 524
Location: Northern VA
Styles: Hapkido | Kempo | Jujitsu
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| Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2003 6:44 am Post subject: |
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I actually like your list as it is. I don't quite agree on the least effective (though I do agree those arts are often taught completely devoid of their original spirit and with no regard for the reasons for their creation), but that's not important.
My list would be about the same as yours (maybe in a different order), except I'd add Kempo for possibly biased reasons  . I guess I'd take out American Kickboxing... since I don't know that much about it and figured if Americans wanted to kickbox they'd just learn Muay Thai.
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iolair
Blue Belt
Joined: 11 Jan 2003
Posts: 310
Location: Asturias, Espaņa
Styles: Kickboxing, Ju Jitsu
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| Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2003 7:47 am Post subject: Re: Top 10 self-defense arts-What do you guys think? |
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| MuayThai Fighter wrote: |
1/Mixed arts like ... Savate |
Savate isn't a mixed art - it's best described as a type of kickboxing. I'd rate it as more effective than American Kickboxing, slightly less effective than Muay Thai.
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3/American Kickboxing |
Doesn't american kickboxing limit the target area used (front torso and head), reject grappling and somewhat overemphasise mid/high kicks at the expense of of low or no kicks?
Doesn't sound like a brilliant self defence art to me (though the boxing elements are normally done well at least).
As for the others you mentioned - Aikido (I haven't practiced it, but from what I've read or seen) can be one of the best self defence styles, but requires a very high level of skill/experience in the art to become so.
If taken on their own, I'd rate Karate and (major styles of) Kung Fu higher than Judo. A Judoka is an excellent grappler, but if he can't get a striker into grappling range or is attacked by multilple attackers, he's lost. Given that most self defence situations start at punching range or greater, this is significant.
Kali and Arnis I still don't know enough about to comment on 
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Tombstone
Green Belt
Joined: 24 Dec 2002
Posts: 408
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| Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2003 8:32 am Post subject: |
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| You rank peoples style and don't expect any fighting? Although I like the list, I'm sure a karate or TKD practitioner will disagree. |
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larryjf
Yellow Belt
Joined: 07 Jul 2002
Posts: 65
Location: boothwyn, pa
Styles: Shotokan, Yoshin Ryu Jujitsu
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| Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2003 9:03 am Post subject: |
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Do you realize that you listed "traditional" martial arts in your top 10 after saying you don't think traditional martial arts are effective? (ie: Aikido, jujitsu, judo)
Anyway, I would probably add American Kenpo to the effective list.
And, does anyone think that Wing Chun should be in the effective list? |
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Chris from CT
Orange Belt
Joined: 23 Sep 2001
Posts: 168
Location: Connecticut, USA
Styles: Jung Ki Hapkido, Shaolin Kempo
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| Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2003 9:27 am Post subject: |
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Ok, I would have to throw in Hapkido (my biased opinion) 
For me, I have a difficult time ranking or even discussing how effective certain styles are because of...
1) If I don't thoroughly train in the style, how can I honestly give a objective answer. My information would be all "second hand" and biased to only what I have heard or briefly seen.
2) I am big on "it's more the teacher, than the style." and "it's how hard you train." You don't know about someone's abilities until you see (or feel) them in action.
The old saying, "don't judge a book by its cover" definitely goes for styles as well. It applies to both of my reasons.
Take care
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in death he is hard and rigid..." LaoTzu |
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Tobias_Reece
Brown Belt
Joined: 26 May 2001
Posts: 691
Location: Leeds, England
Styles: Matayoshi Okinawawn Kobudo, Shotokan Karate
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| Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2003 11:46 am Post subject: |
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Nice one Larryjf. My point exactly.
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jmy77
Orange Belt
Joined: 10 Feb 2003
Posts: 150
Location: Long Island, New York
Styles: White Tiger Kempo Karate
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| Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2003 12:45 pm Post subject: |
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I whole heartedly disagree that Karate is the least effective.
Although, because there are so many forms and variations of karate you would have to list them seperately.
In the style I am learning we spend as much time on real life application as we do on forms and combinations. In the words of my sensei "If you you leave here and can't defend yourself on the street, I have failed you."
As it is with kenpo there are many different styles. In my style (decendent of Nick Cerio's Kenpo) we learn both stand up and grappling techniques. At higher ranks we learn judo and jui jitsu.
In real life you have to be a complete fighter, able to defend against 1 or many attackers, able to defend standing and on the ground.
I challange your ranks because if your are a ground specialist or a stand up only fighter you are lacking in your defense. I would rather not have to take a fight to the ground if could avoid it but, I do not discount the fact that you have to know how to handle yourself on the ground in case that is where it ends up.
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PunchPressQueen75
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Joined: 26 Mar 2002
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Location: NY, USA
Styles: Tang Soo Do/TKD
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| Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2003 12:55 pm Post subject: |
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| Tombstone wrote: |
| You rank peoples style and don't expect any fighting? Although I like the list, I'm sure a karate or TKD practitioner will disagree. |
Yes, it's possible. Everyone can give their opinions without wanting to kill each other. So far so good Disrespectful posts will be removed, if needed That way, the thread will stay peaceful
Anyways, back to the topic. I think I would have added Hapkido to the effective list. How high? I donno. I have researched Hapkido (and studied some combat Hapkido), but I still don't know enough about the art, eventhough I find it very interesting (right Chris ). I do know enough that I do want to study it as my next art.
TKD will be "iffy" for me. I study sport TKD (not by choice). But The real TKD can be very effective in it own right. Judo, I'm only a white belt. So I haven't learned a whole lot yet. I don't know enough to comment.
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isshinryu kid
Yellow Belt
Joined: 11 Feb 2003
Posts: 56
Location: Knoxville tennessee u.s.a
Styles: isshinryu karate
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HEy Muay thai fighte, I Hope You dont mind me sayingthat your top ten is way off the mark,But Then again opinions very.  PS Here's my top ten. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------1 Shaolin kung fu 2 Okiniawan karate 3Taekwondo 4 Jujutsu 5 Bjj 6 Akido 7 Judo 8 Shotokan 9 American Kempo 10 Hapkido ____________________________________________________________PS That's My top ten,But There's a prettygood chance that i'm wrong.  [/i][/code][/u][/url][/list] |
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