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ninjanurse
KF Sensei
Joined: 13 Feb 2003
Posts: 3904
Location: Upstate NY
Styles: TKD;Shotokan;JuJitsu;Tai Ji
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I know that this thread is not about 10 year old black belts but I feel that I just have to say something here about this subject. TRUE=you can't compare age groups...a ten year old can not be expected to fight a 14 year old, or an 80 year old...and vice versa. The standards are the same yet different and a good instructor should be able to judge each student's strengths, weaknesses, desire, and fortitude....and devise a plan and goal for that student to reach Black Belt. Only we know our students....from beginning to end...through the tough times and the easy times...the good and the bad. We know their struggles and their triumphs, their pain and their glory.....regardless of their age we are there for them. TRUE=there are schools out there that hand out Black Belts like candy and degrade the standards of the rank for the sake of a buck.
That said...I am in the position to have an 7 year old take his Black Test test within the next 14 months! Granted, in my system, no one under 16 years old achieves a "full" Dan Grading but even a Junior Black Belt should be seen as quite an achievement. This student is not a typical 7 year old-besides being physically talented he is dedicated and works his butt off every day in class because he has a goal....Black Belt. As his instructor I contracted with him to help him achieve his goal and as long as he meets (or exceeds) the standards why should I stand in the way?
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Zorbasan
Green Belt
Joined: 27 Jul 2006
Posts: 423
Location: Adelaide
Styles: Shotokan and ICHF Hapkido plus any other style i can get into a seminar on
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the two trees may be different, but you still dont pick the fruit of any of them until its ripe.
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Shotokan-kez
Black Belt
Joined: 13 May 2006
Posts: 1874
Location: Manchester uk
Styles: shotokan karate
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Thank you Ninja Nurse...you have put things into perspective for me! 
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Throwdown0850
Blue Belt
Joined: 16 Feb 2008
Posts: 340
Styles: Kodokan Judo, AikiJuJutsu, Kenpo Karate, just started Kyusho-Jitsu
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| I started martial arts when I was 16 and I have stormed out of 6 schools before I found one that was good because they had 10 year o. the thing was it was in Japan. and I am not kidding. that is really what it took... |
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A. Orstrom
Orange Belt
Joined: 22 Jan 2005
Posts: 140
Location: Copenhagen, Denmark
Styles: Kyokushinkai Karate, Nishio-ryu Aikido
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| Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 12:18 am Post subject: |
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I'll go out on a limb here and post my views.
I think the examples here of 7 and 10 year old blackbelts are shocking.
In my style, the shodan grade can only be had after the student reaches the age of 18, and it usually takes about 7 years of consistent training. At first, you can grade three times a year, but very quickly you need half a year between grades and then a year. On top of this attending camps and tournaments (kyokushin semi-contact or knockdown) is required and your instructor has to give you permission to test.
When you have been 1 kyu for a year you are eligible for a nomination for shodan. Usually it takes longer and a trial period of a year follows with several stop-tests.
I don't think this is the only way to do it, but we are very much focused on the practical aspects of the art, and you cannot convince me that a 7 or 10 year old can fulfill these requirements. I realise that their form may be excellent, but it takes confidence, experience, technical skill, the ability to keep calm and defuse a dangerous situation and some reflection of your own character as well - qualities that I do not believe are present in children at that age.
I am not trying to pass judgment on your style or dojo, but I believe that promoting these children to BBs just because they are focused, cheapens the value of the rank and sets a bad example.
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ying&yang
Purple Belt
Joined: 29 Jan 2008
Posts: 513
Location: melbourne
Styles: JKD , and 15 others
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i think you stanards are too high.
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Throwdown0850
Blue Belt
Joined: 16 Feb 2008
Posts: 340
Styles: Kodokan Judo, AikiJuJutsu, Kenpo Karate, just started Kyusho-Jitsu
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| Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 8:42 am Post subject: |
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I'll go out on a limb here and post my views.
I think the examples here of 7 and 10 year old blackbelts are shocking.
In my style, the shodan grade can only be had after the student reaches the age of 18, and it usually takes about 7 years of consistent training. At first, you can grade three times a year, but very quickly you need half a year between grades and then a year. On top of this attending camps and tournaments (kyokushin semi-contact or knockdown) is required and your instructor has to give you permission to test.
When you have been 1 kyu for a year you are eligible for a nomination for shodan. Usually it takes longer and a trial period of a year follows with several stop-tests.
I don't think this is the only way to do it, but we are very much focused on the practical aspects of the art, and you cannot convince me that a 7 or 10 year old can fulfill these requirements. I realise that their form may be excellent, but it takes confidence, experience, technical skill, the ability to keep calm and defuse a dangerous situation and some reflection of your own character as well - qualities that I do not believe are present in children at that age.
I am not trying to pass judgment on your style or dojo, but I believe that promoting these children to BBs just because they are focused, cheapens the value of the rank and sets a bad example. |
Finally!!! I totally agree.. that is how it here. and how it should be. I dont think they should give kids dan grades.. one would be because it would be giving them a false sense of security. |
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on the post.
