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Venezolano
Green Belt
Joined: 19 Sep 2002
Posts: 357
Location: Venezuela
Styles: Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu, TKD, Karate.
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BJJ, Muay Thai, Judo
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Kyle-san
Brown Belt
Joined: 09 Sep 2002
Posts: 735
Location: Brandon, Manitoba
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| Venezolano wrote: |
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Funny, I've always seen those as sport arts.
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Kaju_influenced
Orange Belt
Joined: 19 Mar 2003
Posts: 157
Location: MTL,CAN
Styles: Kajukenbo,ChoyLeeFutGungFu,Capoeira
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| Posted: Sun Mar 30, 2003 6:14 pm Post subject: |
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| Funny, I've always seen those as sport arts |
Its true judo suposedly was strickly for combat but has evolved to adapt to competition. Before a hip throw was stickly dropping ur opponent on his head now its more competition wise, leaving that out.
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jmy77
Orange Belt
Joined: 10 Feb 2003
Posts: 150
Location: Long Island, New York
Styles: White Tiger Kempo Karate
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I think any MA can be considered a "combat" Martial Art.
I think the discipline is a tool, there for you to use how ever you wish.
You can take any system and use it to compete in tourneys or street fights or just for fun... whether or not it is combative is up to how the practioner applies it.
And trophies in the window doesn't mean anythin
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TheSod_88
Yellow Belt
Joined: 23 Mar 2003
Posts: 57
Location: United States, California
Styles: Boxing
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| Good point, on that last post! I agree with u enormously! |
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ChrisD
White Belt
Joined: 24 Mar 2003
Posts: 12
Location: Tampa, FL
Styles: Combat Hapkido
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Don't forget Hapkido! While not theoretically an offensive "fighting" MA, in a real fight, you will most certainly use Hapkido (vs say, Taekwondo, where you might get a kick or two off, but a real fight may quickly degenerate to grappling or close quarters boxing).
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Dekan
Yellow Belt
Joined: 12 Feb 2003
Posts: 57
Location: Ohio
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| Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2003 11:50 am Post subject: unless you get tackled |
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Unless you get tackled. 
I know of a school that teaches TKD, the instructor is a former Olympic Bronze medal winner in TKD in 1988 olympics, so he teaches very much sport TKD. I've had a couple of his students say the same thing I commented above. Great stuff in a fist fight, but if they get tackled, show is over. |
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Dekan
Yellow Belt
Joined: 12 Feb 2003
Posts: 57
Location: Ohio
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| Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2003 11:52 am Post subject: |
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| Funny, I've always seen those as sport arts |
Its true judo suposedly was strickly for combat but has evolved to adapt to competition. Before a hip throw was stickly dropping ur opponent on his head now its more competition wise, leaving that out.
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hmmmm, I thougth Jui-Jitsu was the combative martial art, then Judo came as a non-injury causing sport from JJ. |
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SevenStar
Black Belt
Joined: 09 Apr 2003
Posts: 2631
Location: TN
Styles: bjj, judo, shuai chiao, muay thai
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| Dekan wrote: |
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| Funny, I've always seen those as sport arts |
Its true judo suposedly was strickly for combat but has evolved to adapt to competition. Before a hip throw was stickly dropping ur opponent on his head now its more competition wise, leaving that out.
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hmmmm, I thougth Jui-Jitsu was the combative martial art, then Judo came as a non-injury causing sport from JJ. |
Doesn't matter.
1. if you get thrown on the concrete, it will hurt - especially if you don't know how to fall.
2. the throw will give you enough space to get away, provided you aren't fighting multiple assailiants
3. it's not hard to modify the throws for combat - you can figure out the modifications (or ask your teacher) and then drill them. Examples:
Hiza guruma - instead of hitting the knee from the side, you hit it head on, snapping it as he steps forward.
ippon seionage - don't turn your waist when you throw - bend straight over sending him to the ground head first.
tsuri komi goshi - basically sends you over head first anyway.
osoto gari - push back on the chin instead of the shoulder, slamming the head into the concrete.
ko soto gake - the chin push applies here too. |
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SevenStar
Black Belt
Joined: 09 Apr 2003
Posts: 2631
Location: TN
Styles: bjj, judo, shuai chiao, muay thai
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| Kyle-san wrote: |
| Venezolano wrote: |
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Funny, I've always seen those as sport arts. |
1. they spar full contact on a regular basis with the techniques they will use, as opposed to only simulating contact with eye gouges, groin strikes, etc.
2. sport or not, knees hurt. so do elbows and throws.
3. remember the locks are breaks. several people have been choked unconscious and had broken limbs from not tapping in competition and in practice.
4. sport implies competition. competition implies training hard. you have to in order to keep up with your opponents. the avg sport fighter likely trains harder than the avg. traditional stylist. |
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on the post.
