Why no wrist locks in BJJ?

Treebranch · Black Belt

I've been rolling alot lately and I find myself seeing lots of oppurtunities to use wrist locks in and out of the guard.

Do you know if any system of BJJ uses them? I've seen Bas Rutten use them very effectively on the ground.

Curious.
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ps1 · Black Belt

Yes. BJJ uses them. They just aren't allowed in competition. Schools that focus on BJJ for self defense use them regularly though.
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glockmeister · Green Belt

I have used them and tapped people out with them during free rolling
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pittbullJudoka · KF Sempai

Some orginasations consider it small joint maniputaltion and some deam it too dangerous the same with some leg locks. You'll find a few tournies that allow wrist locks. I often use them to set up other subs. Bait if you will.

Treebranch · Black Belt

They're not allowed in NHB either right?
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pittbullJudoka · KF Sempai

They are allowed in NHB but with the way the fighters wrap their hands and the gloves are eigther tied on or have wrist wraps of their own. These factors make it very difficult to secure a wrist lock. Royce Gracie beat Chad Rowan via wrist lock at K-1 - Premium 2004 Dynamite.

NightOwl · KF Sempai

Wrist locks have a sort of negative reputation in the MMA field (of which BJJ is a huge part), mostly because a lot of unrealistic disarms and the like rely on them. Also, many times it is easier to score an arm bar (which is often more incapacitating anyhow) then a wrist lock- especially standing. However to dismiss them outright is not good. I've personally witnessed someone who crossed over from hapkido into bjj pull off a classical wrist lock against a surprised opponent while rolling.
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marie curie · KF Sempai

Good question! I have no idea. I know that we learn some anyway, but they are definitely not tournament-legal.
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Treebranch · Black Belt

Wrist locks are awesome if you do them right. They work really well in stand up even if the hands are wrapped. If you are good at throws even when the opponent resists the wrist lock you already have them in a vulnerable position. The wrist locks up the opponents elbow and shoulder which in turn bends the spine, causing your balance to be off. You can also transition to a standing americana if you'd like. I'm all about doing what other people don't train. I think this way BJJ will grow. I think it has grown alot since the first UFC's. I still feel there are effective grappling methods and throws that aren't being explored in MMA.
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Rainbow_Warrior · Blue Belt

I do luta livre ( no gi Sub. wrestling ) and we use them in sparring and in tournamentes....we also allow neck cranks... ( but not finger manipulation )
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