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Can a martial art be detrimental to self defense?
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No |
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UseoForce
Pre-Black Belt
Joined: 10 Jun 2005
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Styles: Combat Hapkido, MMA/BJJ, Various others
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I agree, Judoguy.
If we learned one thing from MMA, thats it.
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Sam
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Joined: 16 Dec 2004
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Styles: ITF TKD, Wu Shu, Muay Thai
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| Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2005 2:42 am Post subject: |
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just to mention judoguy i was simply pointing out it might be getting to the clinch that something happens.... or whatever, all im saying is , its impossible to train for every circumstance so you should train with that in mind, rather than just repeating a few scenarios all the time.
Oh and i agree that the responses in grappling are hugely more limited than with someone coming at your striking.... no arguement there. |
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Muaythaiboxer
Brown Belt
Joined: 31 Jan 2005
Posts: 683
Location: kansas
Styles: teakwondo judo muaythai boxing wresling kung-fu
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| Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2005 9:04 pm Post subject: |
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why dont you tell him the art he is learning is useless for self defence?
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Sam
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Styles: ITF TKD, Wu Shu, Muay Thai
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| Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2005 4:01 am Post subject: |
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| would he believe it?! |
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Kajukenbopr
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Joined: 18 Jun 2005
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Styles: Kajukenbo - Emperado Method
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| Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2005 2:02 pm Post subject: |
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It depends on the school.
A lot of styles out there today, specially in teh most known styles have deteriorated into sports or have forgotten what a real fight should be.
If you are getting into self-defense you should keep 2 things in mind:
1. if you cant practice it on someone, you wont use it in a street fight(you wont know how)
2. if you dont train to fight, you are better off not knowing anything at all- you will get the attacker mad and then you'll be beat even worse.
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UseoForce
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Styles: Combat Hapkido, MMA/BJJ, Various others
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| Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2005 6:35 pm Post subject: |
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I think his parents understand now (with a little help from me) and will be changing his school.
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Menjo
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Location: Canada
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| Posted: Sat Jul 02, 2005 4:52 pm Post subject: |
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| I think for some people it can just because of who they are and there body type. Also they may develop an ego, pick a fight that they wont actually walk away from as well as they think. |
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Mistassailant5
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Styles: Shaolin Kung Fu, Muay Thai, and Aikido
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| Posted: Wed Jun 16, 2010 8:32 pm Post subject: |
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I can't see how MA can be detrimental to self defense, MA can really only help in self defense situations.
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MMA_Jim
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Location: Philadelphia
Styles: BJJ, Muay Thai
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| Posted: Thu Jun 17, 2010 11:59 am Post subject: |
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| Mistassailant5 wrote: |
| I can't see how MA can be detrimental to self defense, MA can really only help in self defense situations. |
I'll give you a perfect example, one reason why I hate people such as George Dillman....
Say George went ahead and shows you some of his pressure point and no touch KO's stuff. You're a woman, afraid of being attacked and assaulted, so you figure something is better than nothing, right?
Then the day comes when you're put in a particular situation, and you feel that you've learned well enough off of George that you can defend yourself. You stand your ground, and start throwing chi and pressure point strikes all over the place... but they dont work! Next thing you know your attacker has thrown you to the ground and you find yourself assaulted and/or robbed.
So, rather than simply doing your best to run away, or do something as simple as punch your attacker in the face, you tried to stand your ground and do the techniques you've been taught only to find they dont work at all- and in the end , you're paying the price for it.
Lets not forget that you bought into all of this stuff because George told you it was a good idea, and he hasnt a clue what hes talking about. THATS why martial arts frauds need to be confronted and stopped cold in their shoes and why many styles put you in a worse situation than better one.
After all, if there were no frauds, you'd be taught proper techniques that work when you sought out your self defense training. Again, novices dont know anything about fighting or self defense- they just take what the guy with the black belt says for granted... after all, who would lie about something like that?  |
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bushido_man96
KF Sensei
Joined: 31 Mar 2006
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Location: Hays, KS
Styles: Taekwondo, Combat Hapkido, Aikido, GRACIE, Police Krav Maga, SPEAR
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It is unfortunate that over time, as the MAs have specialized, delineated, and "evloved" into what many branches are today, that a thought like "MAs can be detrimental to fighting" has found its way into the vernacular. Very sad.
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on the post.
