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bushido_man96
KF Sensei
Joined: 31 Mar 2006
Posts: 30188
Location: Hays, KS
Styles: Taekwondo, Combat Hapkido, Aikido, GRACIE, Police Krav Maga, SPEAR
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| tallgeese wrote: |
I will echo the last two solid pieces of advice and maybe even take it a step further in placing importance on aggression.
Aggression is not anger. Aggression is actually how we win fights. I never train to, or teach, to defend. Defense is how a bad guy gains momentum and overruns us. Controlled, professional aggression that controls the situation is what wins.
When attacked, the only purpose of defense is to put us back on aggressive footing to attack the threat. This is a serious mindset issue that all martial artists need to be aware of and understand.
Defense without aggression is a sure way to set yourself up for defeat. |
This is great advise. Very well put, tallgeese.
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Poseidon33
White Belt
Joined: 07 Apr 2013
Posts: 5
Location: Pa
Styles: Shotokan
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| Posted: Tue Apr 30, 2013 2:18 pm Post subject: |
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| The only time frustration or anger comes out is if you score a Great point and no one sees it. Now you have to work harder to get that same point back. Competitions are a fantastic learning experience. Everyones aggressive and it's a lot of fun! It's also interesting to see how the different styles sparr. |
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bushido_man96
KF Sensei
Joined: 31 Mar 2006
Posts: 30188
Location: Hays, KS
Styles: Taekwondo, Combat Hapkido, Aikido, GRACIE, Police Krav Maga, SPEAR
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Kuma
Black Belt
Joined: 03 Dec 2008
Posts: 1092
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| Posted: Wed May 01, 2013 5:07 pm Post subject: |
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[quote="Poseidon33"]The only time frustration or anger comes out is if you score a Great point and no one sees it. Now you have to work harder to get that same point back. Competitions are a fantastic learning experience. Everyones aggressive and it's a lot of fun! It's also interesting to see how the different styles sparr.[/quote]
That's why I like full contact more than anything. If it's a great hit, your opponent's going to notice it at least. |
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JasonW
White Belt
Joined: 01 Mar 2013
Posts: 20
Location: Michigan
Styles: Isshin Ryu
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| Posted: Sun May 05, 2013 6:46 pm Post subject: |
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Shouldn't your sensei be training you to spar aggressively to some extent?
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CredoTe
Red Belt
Joined: 26 Jul 2013
Posts: 776
Location: Ohio, USA
Styles: Matsubayashi-Ryu (Shorin-Ryu), Hung Gar (Hung Siu Lum)
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| Posted: Thu Aug 01, 2013 6:51 pm Post subject: |
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Charlie44, long story short: in sport competition / tournament sparring, preemptive, on-all-the-time aggression will increase your chances of victory, as tallgeese and bushido_man96 suggest.
Your question is actually very similar (perhaps the same) to another thread under this forum group. For my full explanation regarding this issue, I suggest reading my reply here:
http://www.karateforums.com/agressive-or-passive-vt42748-10.html
There are many other great replies on that thread, as well. As for this thread by you, Charlie44, here are just a few of the good replies / advice from others (IMHO), followed by my 2 cents:
| MasterPain wrote: |
| If your reluctance to attack comes from experience telling you that you are good at counterfighting, fine. If it comes from moral issues and a feeling of wrongness, reexamine your personal philosophy. |
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| JusticeZero wrote: |
Aggression is not an emotion, aggression is a strategy. A tire can be aggressive. A computer program can be aggressive. A treatment program delivered by a doctor can be aggressive.
Anger is an emotion. People who are angry often use aggressive tactics, but the tactic is completely separate from the emotion. |
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| Harkon72 wrote: |
| Charlie, if you rely an [sic] technique and good form, calmly and with focus you don't need to be aggressive. Coming from a place of calm purpose is better than an angry response. You can act quicker as you are relaxed and in control. Meet each opponent like a whirlwind - strong and powerful on the outside but peaceful in the center. |
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| bushido_man96 wrote: |
I think Harkon72 makes some good points, but I do think the other side of the coin is just as viable. There is nothing wrong with showing some aggression, and I think anger can be a very motivational emotion. Just because one is angry, doesn't mean one can't think straight and make the right decisions. I'm capable of being angry without being out of control.
I would also encourage you to develop an offensive game to go along with your defensive abilities. Action is faster than reaction. Being defensive is well and good, but you won't likely be able to stop everything. Balance is a good thing, so I'd recommend working on that. |
MasterPain, your advice is very direct  ; like an arrow unerringly penetrating its target (hence your username, no?  ).
Great explanation / analogy, JusticeZero.  Anger and aggression are often used synonymously when they aren't the same thing.
Harkon72, your advice is sound, too, but I ask for clarification on one point: the advice you mention regarding calm focus and calm purpose, do you relate these to being passive? Your advice regarding good technique and form, relaxation and control allowing quicker responses, "meet each opponent like a whirlwind" (great analogy  ), is great anytime. 
bushido_man96, you also make some good points. You're right, using aggressive tactics are good, especially in MMA bouts / sport competition (or any other physical sport, for that matter). However, anger can and does quickly cloud the mind of most people. I realize you're making the case that it is possible to be angry without clouding the mind or losing control; very true. I think it's great that you have that ability. But, most people do not; a possibility is no guarantee. Your advice about developing an offensive game and balancing tactics, is all good.
I guess the only 2 cents I can add to these hefty pieces of advice is that it is entirely possible to be calm, relaxed, and in control while being aggressive towards an opponent (aggression = pressing your opponent with well executed techniques).
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sensei8
KF Sensei
Joined: 23 Feb 2008
Posts: 16430
Location: Las Vegas, NV
Styles: Shindokan Saitou-ryu [Shuri-te/Okinawa-te based]
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| Posted: Fri Aug 02, 2013 10:41 am Post subject: |
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Aggression without the proper content doesn't belong in the dojo. On the streets, well, context aggression is a good thing.
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Harkon72
Black Belt
Joined: 27 Aug 2012
Posts: 1875
Location: Wales
Styles: Okinawan Karate, Aikido, Ninpo.
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| Posted: Sat Aug 03, 2013 11:02 am Post subject: |
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Having a Calm Purpose doesn't always mean that you are passive; you can strike hard and with a powerful energy without anger and aggression, the tide of your techniques can be a powerful tsunami while your mind is calm and relaxed.
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ps1
Black Belt
Joined: 09 Nov 2004
Posts: 3025
Location: NE Ohio
Styles: Chuan Fa, Shotokan, JJJ, BJJ
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| mal103 wrote: |
I would say you need more time and training. You face getting hit a lot in sparring and if your best defence in a real situation is to wait to be attacked then you are not going to last long.
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Agreed.
Hesitance to perform your techniques demonstrates a lack of faith in your techniques. You should have 100% confidence in your actions. If you're second guessing wether you'll get hit while performing them, thus holding back, then you need more training.
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CredoTe
Red Belt
Joined: 26 Jul 2013
Posts: 776
Location: Ohio, USA
Styles: Matsubayashi-Ryu (Shorin-Ryu), Hung Gar (Hung Siu Lum)
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| Posted: Fri Aug 09, 2013 11:27 am Post subject: |
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| Harkon72 wrote: |
| Having a Calm Purpose doesn't always mean that you are passive; you can strike hard and with a powerful energy without anger and aggression, the tide of your techniques can be a powerful tsunami while your mind is calm and relaxed. |
OK Thanks for the clarification
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