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Alan Armstrong
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 12, 2017 4:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

sensei8 wrote:
pinklady6000 wrote:
Alan Armstrong wrote:
bushido_man96 wrote:
The other thing to consider is how much time do others have to give to both? Time you spend doing ballet techniques is time spent away from doing MA techniques for self-defense and what-not. In the end, I think it really comes down to how much time you have to spread around to do all the extra training (not to mention resources).
The idea I have is to understand ballet to enhance a martial artist and not to take valuable time away by learning none viable techniques or movements.

There are many conditioning exercises that ballet dancers already have in common with martial artists, that is a bonus in itself.

Bruce Lee used a bar when training similar to ballet as his was metal and not wooden.

Barr work for martial artists for strengthening, posture and balance is common place in ballet studios but not so much in dojos.

I seek out welded handrails in public places for practicing with, a wooden barr such as used in a ballet studio, wouldn't be strong enough for my purposes.

Bruce Lee's kicking techniques can be learned and improved upon by practicing with a metal horizontal bar.

Another thing (all) martial artists can borrow from the ballet world is flexibility techniques.

By learning to stretch individual muscles instead of in groups; then strengthening specific muscle groups when conditioning them

By becoming more sophisticated in all aspects of training and performing; so as to become an intelligent, effecient fighters and not like many muscle headed brutes, that have more in common with the animal kingdom.
I agree with everything you have said.
I think ballet is a great supplement to the martial arts, from high kicking in the striking arts to resistance of submissions in grappling.
Look at Summer Glau in the serenity film and Sarah Conner chronicles. Emily Blunt in Die Another Day film. Both have benefited from ballet.

Welcome to KF, pinklady6000; glad that you're here!!

Solid post through and through, pinklady6000; you make some excellent points to consider!!


Welcome pinklady6000 to the KF.com.

Summer Glau (Ballet Martial Artist) "Serenity" fight scene; for those that may not have seen her in action.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwVqW6J4FRc

It makes sense to me, to use a ballet dancer martial artist in a science fiction movie.

Her character being futuristic, needs to fight unlike what we are accustomed to, as far from standardized martial art styles as possible.

Also adding to the ironic mix of beautiful, young and innocent with cold blooded killer experience.

Using ballet dancers that can fight in movies adds elegance and beauty in contrast to a harsh unfriendly environments.

But this is all fine and dandy in the make believe world of movies but how does Ballet and MA fit in to reality?

For women being a Ballet dancer and martial artist is very compatible and complementary on a Yin/Yang level.

For men such as Shaolin Monks or those that practice Kung Fu, Ballet type exercises and conditioning muscles to be elongated are very similar in nature.

Also conditioning throughout the day with ordinary movements and specialized focused ones is another thing they both have in common.

Perhaps in the future some talented Muy Thai Ballet Kick Boxers will show up in some UFC bouts to show us how it is done properly or perhaps just one Serenity Ballet Martial Artist.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 14, 2017 12:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Having some fun with the idea of Ballet and Karate here are a few videos.

Ballet Show with Martial Arts

www.youtube.com/watch?v=WBouVzPg7gU


Ballet Fusion Arts Karate-
Performance Ina Elena Postelnicu.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=uVDid1aPpWU


Chloe Bruce freestyle kata
Taekwondo vs Ballet

www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_cpgDRcGQM


Dance and Karate. Elena and Mirka

www.youtube.com/watch?v=GtEYHBhbd-w


Karate com Ballet

www.youtube.com/watch?v=J4ST_LpH3-A


What is your opinion on these videos?
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 12:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

thank you for the welcome sensi8.
I do practice ballet, though i am not as svelt as summer glau.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 5:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alan Armstrong wrote:
Having some fun with the idea of Ballet and Karate here are a few videos.

Ballet Show with Martial Arts

www.youtube.com/watch?v=WBouVzPg7gU


Ballet Fusion Arts Karate-
Performance Ina Elena Postelnicu.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=uVDid1aPpWU


Chloe Bruce freestyle kata
Taekwondo vs Ballet

www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_cpgDRcGQM


Dance and Karate. Elena and Mirka

www.youtube.com/watch?v=GtEYHBhbd-w


Karate com Ballet

www.youtube.com/watch?v=J4ST_LpH3-A


What is your opinion on these videos?


Thank you for the welcome alan armstrong.
i have enjoyed the ballet vidios in this post.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 5:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

what summer glau can do with her body in the serenity film is quite incredible. I have the DVD and on the extras is a good video of her training for the part.

the martial arts coordinator was quite specific and said that "he took the job because of summer glau's ability and flexablity."(paraphrased)

I like the training in ballet because it slowly strengthens the tendons and ligaments without injury. There is always the desire to push the body too quickly in the pursuit of those flashy techniques.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 22, 2017 9:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

pinklady6000 wrote:
what summer glau can do with her body in the serenity film is quite incredible. I have the DVD and on the extras is a good video of her training for the part.

the martial arts coordinator was quite specific and said that "he took the job because of summer glau's ability and flexablity."(paraphrased)

I like the training in ballet because it slowly strengthens the tendons and ligaments without injury. There is always the desire to push the body too quickly in the pursuit of those flashy techniques.

pink
I agree with you pinklady6000 I also like some of the ballet training concepts they use.

It puts a whole new perspective on conditioning.

Obviously I'm not the first or will be the last guy to recognize a training advantage buy using ballet conditioning in martial arts.

Anderson Silva "The Spider" is considered by many, to be the greatest mixed martial artist of all time in the UFC.

Silva was bullied as a youth for taking Ballet.
http//cdn2.cagepotato.com

Another Ballet Star that might appear in the UFC one day.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=Df7LTuUbwak
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 22, 2017 1:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alan Armstrong wrote:
pinklady6000 wrote:
what summer glau can do with her body in the serenity film is quite incredible. I have the DVD and on the extras is a good video of her training for the part.

the martial arts coordinator was quite specific and said that "he took the job because of summer glau's ability and flexablity."(paraphrased)

I like the training in ballet because it slowly strengthens the tendons and ligaments without injury. There is always the desire to push the body too quickly in the pursuit of those flashy techniques.

pink
I agree with you pinklady6000 I also like some of the ballet training concepts they use.

It puts a whole new perspective on conditioning.

Obviously I'm not the first or will be the last guy to recognize a training advantage buy using ballet conditioning in martial arts.

Anderson Silva "The Spider" is considered by many, to be the greatest mixed martial artist of all time in the UFC.

Silva was bullied as a youth for taking Ballet.
http//cdn2.cagepotato.com

Another Ballet Star that might appear in the UFC one day.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=Df7LTuUbwak


yes, silva is incredible. what i find suprising is he started with myu tai where he won a lot of fights, but today he seems to prefer boxing.

wow! look how far he can leap of the ground, so high!
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 28, 2017 12:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I like Silva for his Wing Chun techniques also.

He has some very deceptive Wing Chun hand movements that compliments his Wing Chun kicks.

There is alot of Wing Chun in Silva's moves, that he uses brilliantly.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 28, 2017 12:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alan Armstrong wrote:
I like Silva for his Wing Chun techniques also.

He has some very deceptive Wing Chun hand movements that compliments his Wing Chun kicks.

There is alot of Wing Chun in Silva's moves, that he uses brilliantly.


you are kidding, right!
there is no wing chun in the whole of silvers career.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 28, 2017 1:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

pinklady6000 wrote:
Alan Armstrong wrote:
I like Silva for his Wing Chun techniques also.

He has some very deceptive Wing Chun hand movements that compliments his Wing Chun kicks.

There is alot of Wing Chun in Silva's moves, that he uses brilliantly.


you are kidding, right!
there is no wing chun in the whole of silvers career.
Not kidding.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anderson_Silva

Anderson Silva practicing Wing Chun with Dan Inosanto.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=AjxTbU7eheo
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