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Red J
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 07, 2002 5:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Talk about just walking into it...geez
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Karateka_latino
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Joined: 21 Jun 2001
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Location: Panama city, Panama
Styles: Goju-Ryu Karate do; Kung Fu.

PostPosted: Thu Nov 07, 2002 10:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I couldn't see the video but the way you talk about it, means that they shotokan guy did the same mistake everybody do when they fight against BJJ, Go and try to out-grappler a grappler specialist.
When are they going to understand they can't do it? If you watch first UFC's you'll see the same thing.
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omnifinite
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Joined: 09 Apr 2002
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Location: Northern VA
Styles: Hapkido | Kempo | Jujitsu

PostPosted: Fri Nov 08, 2002 6:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It looked like there were a lot of times on the ground that the karate guy could have elbowed him in the head... I wonder why he didn't. How full-contact was this?
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diamondick
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Joined: 05 Jul 2002
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Styles: judo, Jeet kune do,Tai chi chuan

PostPosted: Sun Nov 10, 2002 12:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It seems to me they are big on grappling at mcdojo.com
this is the second video I have seen there of grappler beating a striker.
I would like to see some of the other kind.
I think BJJ isnīt the ultimate Martial art but many people do.
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Kensai
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Joined: 05 Jul 2002
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 10, 2002 2:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree diamond. The mcdojo.com people are pretty annoying, I dont go there all that often.

I would like to know if there is a website that has lots of vs vid clips.

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Punchdrunk
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 10, 2002 7:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kensai,
most of the folks from McDojo came from www.adcombat.com a website initially created to support the Abu Dahbi grappling tournemant. It is a fun group but pretty rowdy.

A good site for MMA video clips is www.sherdog.com
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guarddog
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Joined: 09 Nov 2002
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Location: Ontario, Canada
Styles: American Kenpo Karate

PostPosted: Tue Nov 12, 2002 6:10 pm    Post subject: bjj vs karate Reply with quote

On another forum this video I think helped inflate the egos of bjj people. However its obvious the Karate guy made some mistakes here and I am not saying I would win, because I would not LOL being I am new to Karate, but I know enough to understand the Karate guy did not use his skill set like he should have against a grappler.
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Kensai
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 13, 2002 3:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cheers Punch for the link.

I could not agree more guarddog.

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Ironberg
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Joined: 31 Oct 2002
Posts: 801
Location: Minnesota, USA
Styles: American Karate, WTF Tae Kwon Do, Kickboxing, Jeet Kune Do

PostPosted: Sat Nov 16, 2002 3:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think most of us on this forum have a bit of a biased paradigm towards the striking arts. I am not here to clean up, as I am an American Karate stylist and do not specialize in grappling, but I think it is best in the martial arts world to keep our minds open.
I rewound watched the interception phase over and over again. It is quite obvious that the Karate guy displayed no sense of aliveness in his positioning, his body posture, and his arm movements the entire time up to the time that BJJ dude thrusted him into the wall. It is my opinion that the Karate guy probably never watched UFC, or even WWF (sorry, now it's E), and was also a bit confident in something he shouldn't be confident about. I am no black belt yet, but something has to be said understanding your opponent, and the strenghts and weaknesses of yourself (kinda like what guarddog was implying). I have experimented with grappling, and belive me, there can be a time for it. It might even be a good idea for me to cross train when I grab the time (pun intended).
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Kensai
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 16, 2002 4:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ironberg, that is very wise indeed. There is no substitute for understanding ones opponent, as the great Sun Zu once said.

I personally dont like cross training. But I really enjoy learning about other styles from MT to Tai Chi. I think its important to atleast have a little understand behind even just a few styles. Not nessessily to learn how to beat other styles for real. But to understand the fight dyamic.

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