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BeefcaketheBarber
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 31, 2020 2:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i trained at a judo/jiujitsu club where the guy was shodan in judo and japanese jiujitsu and brown in Bjj. his students would win 1st place medals againts all the other BJJ gyms in cali who r ran buy higher ranking belts. he ran a school as a 1st degree BB so I dont see why not if they have the skills and teaching ability to do so; of course it was his own school and he wasn’t affiliated with a gov body but yah... he promoted ranks...
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 02, 2021 10:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think in BJJ circles, this tends to work a little differently. I believe there are BJJ blue belts that run schools and promote a few levels, as a BJJ blue belt typically has about as many years in as a typical Karate black belt does.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 02, 2021 10:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

While, for the most, Shodan don't actively promote by themselves; they can sit in on a Testing Cycle but they've no administrative authority. Now, that's the formality of it all.

If I was a Shodan, and I wanted to open my own dojo, with or without, the backing of my Sensei and/or the Governing Body, then by Jiminy Cricket, I'd open my dojo no matter what.

Of course, there'd be backlashes and the such, more than one can even imagine. Without the proper backing, a Shodan would be a Shodan for quite a long time, if not forever.

That Shodan's Student Body would technically be stuck at Shodan themselves with no future rank advancements. Imagine a Shodan promoting ones Student Body beyond Shodan, like Nidan or Sandan, but then remaining a Shodan him/herself.

Now, a Shodan could assemble higher Dan ranks to sit upon the Testing Cycle to administer higher Dan ranks than shodan or Nikyu; with a stamp of approval.

The scenarios would boggle one's imagination.

The worse thing would be the Shodan, as the CI of his/her own dojo, self-promoting themselves to a higher Dan rank, like Godan, or even more alarming to Judan. Integrity would be thrown out with the baby bath water....and this happens at the blink of an eye.

My Sensei would've burned me at the cross if I did that, but if I did that, that's my business and not his. Sure, I'd face the reckoning from a school of upset Senior Dan ranks, starting from my Sensei. It would be an upsetting that might never see the daylight of trust ever again.

But if I did, I'd first link up with a legitimate Senior Dan rank with authority for the order of administrating Testing Cycles from Nikyu and above. However, here's the stick in the bicycle spokes...as a Shodan, how can I ever teach the necessary materials above Shodan?!?

I'd rather abide by integrity across the board. A Shodan has the authority, however limited; any MAist should never assume a position that they do not possess.

Imho.



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