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MatsuShinshii
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 19, 2017 3:55 pm    Post subject: Chinkuchi Reply with quote

How many have heard of this and how many understand this?
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 19, 2017 4:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I shant lie, I had to google it but yes I do know what it is and do understand it. We sometimes incorrectly use the term kime.

It's basically aligning the body and creating momentary tension to efficiently transfer our mass during striking followed by immediate dropping of energy to relax and not hinder any successive movements.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 19, 2017 5:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Control!!

Our Soke describes Chinkuchi as it's when the ENTIRE BODY MATURES at one single moment of time, i.e., for a firm stance, a powerful punch, or a strong deflection/receiving; not before, and not after!!

To soon, useless...too late, useless; wasted movements...wasted energy...wasted life!! Knowing just when to relax and when to tense!! It's an everlasting endeavor for a many Okinawan practitioners; a lifetime of perfecting.

Chinkuchi can be described as the Yin and Yang of control; either one can or one can't!!




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PostPosted: Sun Nov 19, 2017 5:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

sensei8 wrote:


Our Soke describes Chinkuchi as it's when the ENTIRE BODY MATURES at one single moment of time.


I like that
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 19, 2017 11:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

“Chinkuchi” along with the associated concepts of “gamaku” and “muchimi” are not usually known outside Okinawan karate. Even in Okinawa few sensei go into detail on these concepts except for a few seniors.

They cannot be blamed though, because explaining these concepts is not easy and requires an advanced knowledge and understanding of physical anatomy(musculature and skeleton) as well as body-mechanics.

After a mere 5 years of training it in under an Okinawan sensei who insists on it, all attempts to put it into a coherent explanation are simplistic at best. All that can be said with this level of understanding is that “chinkuchi” is a method of power generation that involves simultaneous use of “dynamic tension” in stabilizing muscles of the body’s core; and optimal structural alignment.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 20, 2017 5:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mushybees wrote:
sensei8 wrote:


Our Soke describes Chinkuchi as it's when the ENTIRE BODY MATURES at one single moment of time.


I like that


Great definition Bob. I love it too. Can I use that?
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 20, 2017 5:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Spartacus Maximus wrote:
“Chinkuchi” along with the associated concepts of “gamaku” and “muchimi” are not usually known outside Okinawan karate. Even in Okinawa few sensei go into detail on these concepts except for a few seniors.

They cannot be blamed though, because explaining these concepts is not easy and requires an advanced knowledge and understanding of physical anatomy(musculature and skeleton) as well as body-mechanics.

After a mere 5 years of training it in under an Okinawan sensei who insists on it, all attempts to put it into a coherent explanation are simplistic at best. All that can be said with this level of understanding is that “chinkuchi” is a method of power generation that involves simultaneous use of “dynamic tension” in stabilizing muscles of the body’s core; and optimal structural alignment.


I think that's a pretty good explanation Spartacus. Yes there is more to it but to explain it to the layman this is a pretty good way.

Thanks for the input.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 21, 2017 7:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I tend to simplify the explanation down to positions and movements of the body that are as structurally stable and efficient as possible. Of course, you can get into things like chinkuchi lines vs. chinkuchi points, and the like.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 22, 2017 7:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

MatsuShinshii wrote:
mushybees wrote:
sensei8 wrote:


Our Soke describes Chinkuchi as it's when the ENTIRE BODY MATURES at one single moment of time.


I like that


Great definition Bob. I love it too. Can I use that?

Yes you can use that, MatsuShinshii, and anyone else can too!!



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 22, 2017 8:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is a cool explanation of a concept I had not heard of. What do you consider Kime to be, then? Is that merely focus?
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