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Zaine
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 05, 2022 9:46 am    Post subject: Chinto Feedback Reply with quote

I'm looking for some feedback on my Chinto. I'm using it as a secondary kata for an upcoming tournament next month. I feel that I'm close, so I'm looking for that extra oomf.

Some notes:

I'm not doing it at full power here. I don't typically train at full power for kata until the last two weeks leading up to the tournament. Even then, I only do so a handful of times. I want to take care of my flesh prison.

This is a version that goes 45, which I'm sure is clear but I like my information to be redundant.

In 2 spots, I've replaced a return to kumai with with a double punch to a downed opponent. Both from a practical standpoint, and an aesthetic one, I think this looks better. If you have perspective that suggests otherwise, I'm happy to hear it.

The tournament will be largely TKD practitioners with roughly 10 - 20% non-TKD styles.

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 06, 2022 8:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can't speak to the form itself, but I think it looks pretty good. I would suggest trying to get more hip into some of the movements; you'll really see the power pop that way. I imagine at a faster, stronger pace, it looks even better.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 07, 2022 8:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks, Brian! I should have been clear (here and elsewhere) that I really was just looking for feedback on how I perform this, regardless of whether it's correct in sequencing.

Hips were something that I was noticing as well. Good to get a second opinion saying the same thing.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 08, 2022 8:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Even while just practicing said Kata, the Kata needs to come alive, and not having the mundaneness of just going through its actions. Returning its liveliness as well as its hip engagement will make the world of difference in said Kata. Run throughs that lack its hips and liveliness are fine for a run through, but after that, it's time then to brush off all of its cobwebs and execute said Kata as though one's life depended on it.



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 08, 2022 9:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Bob! I should say that I am using about 75% power here, just not engaging my hips like I should. That's an issue that I've frequently had in the past. A lot of Matsumura Seito (or at least my Sensei's interpretation of it) generates power from the back, -choosing to save a lot of hip movement for post-Shodan techniques. Why they did this, I cannot say. It has created a need for me to consciously apply hip movement in my kata and I often forget while still going through the learning process for kata.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 08, 2022 9:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Got to follow the methodology and ideology of the style one's training in. I respect that. Strange that hips are not trained in post-Shodan because no hips are akin to having no power.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 08, 2022 9:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry, I meant to say that Shodan was where we really began to get katas that used a lot of hips.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 13, 2023 12:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just another observation. Many of you are saying "more hips". We also do Chinto in Shorin Ryu, but we don't put hips into anything. Punches, kicks, blocks, etc. No hips.

Why (you ask?)

Because twisting your hips over commits your techniques. Sure, it adds power to them, but if they miss their mark it leaves you vulnerable to a counter strike.

Anyway, about the kata itself, as a 25+ year tournament judge/referee, I'd say that is a solid kata, good technique, but needs a bit more power. I don't agree that waiting until 2 weeks prior to the tournament to start adding power. You have the technique, use the power NOW!

My opinion.

Wow, first post in a couple of years! lol
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 13, 2023 9:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Montana wrote:

Wow, first post in a couple of years! lol


It's good to have you back, Montana!
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 14, 2023 10:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

bushido_man96 wrote:
Montana wrote:

Wow, first post in a couple of years! lol


It's good to have you back, Montana!
Indeed it is!
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