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Radok
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 14, 2002 6:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What is the diff between Shorei Ryu, Shorin ryu, and Shorinji ryu? How about Kempo and Kenpo? Chi gung and Chi kung? Gung fu and Kung fu?

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 14, 2002 7:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well I caint help with all the questions but on the one about shorei ryu and shorin ryu . Shorei ryu is the old name of naha te (goju ryu ) shorin ryu is of hte shuri part of okinawa while shorei ryu is from the naha part of okinawa the differences are shorin ryu is more up in the stances and snapier in there techinques while shorei (naha) use deeper stances as well as the now famous sanchin type breathing .
As far as kempo and kenpo they are pertty much the same just different pronuncation . However there didfferent styles of kempo such as american and okinawan .
hope this helps .

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Chris from CT
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 15, 2002 10:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kempo & Kenpo - Literally they are the same, but some people perfer one spelling over another when discussing certain styles.

Ex.
Ed Parkers' American Kenpo
Nick Cerio's Kenpo

James Mitose's Kosho Ryu Kempo
Fred Villari's Shaolin Kempo Karate

Kung Fu & Gung Fu - Same thing, just different pronunciations/spellings

Chi Kung & Chi Gong / Qi Kung & Qi Gong - Same thing, just different pronunciations/spellings

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 15, 2002 10:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oops, double post. Sorry.

Oh wait, here's something else...
"Shorinji," I have been told is the Japanese translation for "Shaolin."

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 15, 2002 11:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The best thing when in doubt about things like this is to look at the original kanji. This gives you a meaning, which is generally the same everywhere, and a range of pronunciations, which differ between Mandarin, Chinese, Okinawan, Japanese On, Japanese Kun, etc.

So we can see that, for example, kempo, kenpo, quan fa and chuan fa are all different pronunciations (dialects/accents) of the same word. (Fist System)

Shorin, Shorei and Shorinji are all variations on "Shaolin" (a difficult word for the Japanese tongue). I've heard that originally they were not spelled "correctly" on Okinawa but written with whatever kanji happened to closely fit the pronunciation, hence the variations in English spelling as well.

Seems like Chinese kung fu was considered very "hip" for a while back in Okinawa, and everyone wanted to call their school "Shaolin Style". All you needed to do was add a few kata from a Chinese kung-fu school to your existing Te, and voila -you now teach "Shaolin Style Quan Fa" - Shorinji Kempo. This gave us kata like Sanshin, Wanshu, Kusanku, Chinto, Gojushiho and Hakkatsu.

Ronryu is right about the shorei/shorin connection to naha/shuri te.

However, terms like "kempo" are generic and apply to a wide range of styles. Really, any style of karate could be called "kempo" whether its part of the school's "official" name or not.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 20, 2002 2:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That clears up a few things.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 20, 2002 9:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I like the shorin ryu type from okinawa, it is very practical, like ronryu said it has differnt stances and what not.
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Radok
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 21, 2002 2:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

that's why it's my sig.

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