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Spartacus Maximus
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 19, 2018 7:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

A good teacher knows more than one way to teach. The “Krease” type characters only have one and it is one of the least effective. Another important thing to consider is that different purposes require different teaching methods and approaches. Teaching someone to win a sporting match within a set of rules is different from teaching self-defense.

Neither of those two purposes can nor should be taught with the same methods or approach as teaching soldiers to deal with an enemy whose mission it is to kill.

The opponent in a sporting match is not willfully intent on maiming or killing. The competition is bound by a set of rules both sides agreed to follow.

As for self-defense, the defender cannot and must not deal with any situation as if in mortal danger because self-defense is defined by the law; and also for the simple fact that there are different degrees of violence an ordinary citizen might face. With a quick escape while avoiding serious injuries as the goal, techniques that would certainly kill or maim are neither necessary nor desirable.
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sensei8
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Joined: 23 Feb 2008
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Styles: Shindokan Saitou-ryu [Shuri-te/Okinawa-te based]

PostPosted: Mon Nov 19, 2018 11:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Spartacus Maximus wrote:
A good teacher knows more than one way to teach. The “Krease” type characters only have one and it is one of the least effective. Another important thing to consider is that different purposes require different teaching methods and approaches. Teaching someone to win a sporting match within a set of rules is different from teaching self-defense.

Neither of those two purposes can nor should be taught with the same methods or approach as teaching soldiers to deal with an enemy whose mission it is to kill.

The opponent in a sporting match is not willfully intent on maiming or killing. The competition is bound by a set of rules both sides agreed to follow.

As for self-defense, the defender cannot and must not deal with any situation as if in mortal danger because self-defense is defined by the law; and also for the simple fact that there are different degrees of violence an ordinary citizen might face. With a quick escape while avoiding serious injuries as the goal, techniques that would certainly kill or maim are neither necessary nor desirable.

Solid post through and through!!




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MatsuShinshii
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Styles: Machimura Suidi Rokudan, Ryukyu Kenpo, Kobudo, Judo

PostPosted: Mon Nov 19, 2018 1:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Depends on what personality trait.

My Shinshii had a laid back teaching style but when he spoke he expected you to give him respect and listen. If you didn’t he could, on occasion, loose his patience and could be a bit loud and aggressive. Having said that it was never without cause and I’d doubt anyone would say it wasn’t justified.

If you are speaking in terms of bullying his students, he definitely would not fit that mold.

If you are speaking in terms of “no mercy”, he had compassion and empathy for people until it was a serious situation in which he would tell us to protect our lives and end it by any means necessary.

Having said that he was not the sort to seek out or start a fight ever.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 26, 2018 1:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've told the story of a former instructor who lied about credentials and gave bogus ones to me and others. That wasn't the extent of his "charm."

During sparring, the unspoken was that your groin was fair game if he felt you were getting the best of him (or if he was bored). His groin was never fair game and was answered with a punch in the face (never legal in our style). He saved the largest degree of punishment in sparring for his wife. Found out years later (although I shouldn't have been surprised) that he gave her one-sided sparring classes at home without pads.

A real jerk all around. I stayed there too long. I regret it to this day.
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bushido_man96
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Styles: Taekwondo, Combat Hapkido, Aikido, GRACIE

PostPosted: Mon Nov 26, 2018 11:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

IcemanSK wrote:
I've told the story of a former instructor who lied about credentials and gave bogus ones to me and others. That wasn't the extent of his "charm."

During sparring, the unspoken was that your groin was fair game if he felt you were getting the best of him (or if he was bored). His groin was never fair game and was answered with a punch in the face (never legal in our style). He saved the largest degree of punishment in sparring for his wife. Found out years later (although I shouldn't have been surprised) that he gave her one-sided sparring classes at home without pads.

A real jerk all around. I stayed there too long. I regret it to this day.
Sounds like an ego attack for sure. Sorry you endured that.
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