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sensei8
KF Sensei
Joined: 23 Feb 2008
Posts: 16424
Location: Las Vegas, NV
Styles: Shindokan Saitou-ryu [Shuri-te/Okinawa-te based]
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 Posted: Sun Jun 07, 2009 6:43 pm Post subject: Do not pass Go! Do not collect $200! |
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"In the event of violation/termination, all certifications must be returned to the XYZ Organization."
Can an organization take 'your' certificate(s) away from 'you'?
AND/OR...
Can an organization reduce 'your' rank?
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tallgeese
Black Belt
Joined: 04 May 2008
Posts: 6879
Location: McHenry County, IL
Styles: Brazilian Jiu Jitsu, Bujin Bugei Jutsu, Gokei Ryu Kempo Jutsu, MMA, Shootfighting, boxing, kickboxing, JKD, Pekiti Tersia Kali
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If you belong, I supposed they CAN do just about anything. SHOULD is a different story.
Personally, I feel that "no" would be the answer to both. |
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isshinryu5toforever
Black Belt
Joined: 01 Nov 2004
Posts: 2358
Location: Seoul, South Korea
Styles: Isshin-Ryu Karate, Jidokwon Taekwondo, Kyokushinkan
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They can, but as said before, it would seem like quite the inappropriate thing to do.
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bushido_man96
KF Sensei
Joined: 31 Mar 2006
Posts: 30188
Location: Hays, KS
Styles: Taekwondo, Combat Hapkido, Aikido, GRACIE, Police Krav Maga, SPEAR
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sensei8
KF Sensei
Joined: 23 Feb 2008
Posts: 16424
Location: Las Vegas, NV
Styles: Shindokan Saitou-ryu [Shuri-te/Okinawa-te based]
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| Posted: Mon Jun 08, 2009 6:46 pm Post subject: |
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| "In the event of violation/termination, all certifications must be returned to the XYZ Organization." |
Having read this statement many times emitting from more than one Hombu/Federation/Association, it sounds to me like someone's let the authority go right to their head(s).
As Brian's stated quite well...
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| What they can't take is your knowledge and experience, though. |
I'm of the opinion, once a Shodan, for example, always a Shodan. Way beyond that, once knowledge/experience obtained, knowledge/experience irrefutable!
Bow/Heel/Kneel...These times no longer exist, in that, one can't take away what's no longer their's!
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sperki
Blue Belt
Joined: 19 Apr 2009
Posts: 272
Location: Salt Lake City, UT, USA
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| I agree that an organization can't take away your knowledge and practical experience, but if you are affiliated with an organization you also represent it. So if you are engaging in behavior that negatively portrays the organization I think they are within their rights to strip your titles / membership. |
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Tiger1962
Black Belt
Joined: 21 Feb 2008
Posts: 1100
Location: U.S.A.
Styles: Former SBD; interest in all training styles.
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I know the one I was affiliated with, I had heard CAN indeed DO that. Like some other posters here, I agree - they can't take away knowledge and experience. Nor, can they enter my home and take my certificate and belt from where I live. They can record or demote anything they want to in their records or files, but I earned what I have, paid my dues, both physical and $$$$$$$$$ and they CAN NOT take THAT from me. 
Now, whether or not I think its appropriate - well that's a whole other topic.
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sensei8
KF Sensei
Joined: 23 Feb 2008
Posts: 16424
Location: Las Vegas, NV
Styles: Shindokan Saitou-ryu [Shuri-te/Okinawa-te based]
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My belt...my rank...Doesn't make me who I am as both a person and a martial artist. No! My belt/rank; are nothing more than platitudes! What's inside of me}heart, mind, and soul} this makes me who I am as a person and a martial artist. You want my certs? You want my belt? You want my rank? Here they are...you can have them. But...my knowledge/experience is MINE!
The DMV can take my drivers license and all of its priviledges away, but, guess what? They can't take away my driving knowledge/experience. I'll get a bus pass!
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Tiger1962
Black Belt
Joined: 21 Feb 2008
Posts: 1100
Location: U.S.A.
Styles: Former SBD; interest in all training styles.
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My belt...my rank...Doesn't make me who I am as both a person and a martial artist. No! My belt/rank; are nothing more than platitudes! What's inside of me}heart, mind, and soul} this makes me who I am as a person and a martial artist. You want my certs? You want my belt? You want my rank? Here they are...you can have them. But...my knowledge/experience is MINE!
The DMV can take my drivers license and all of its priviledges away, but, guess what? They can't take away my driving knowledge/experience. I'll get a bus pass!
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LMAO - agreed !!!
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still kicking
Green Belt
Joined: 18 Dec 2006
Posts: 443
Styles: Shito-ryu Karate, Muso Shinden Ryu Iaido
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sensei8 wrote:
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| The DMV can take my drivers license and all of its priviledges away, but, guess what? They can't take away my driving knowledge/experience. I'll get a bus pass! |
Or you could drive without a license, of course. Perhaps that would be more parallel to cutting ties with an association and continuing to train? |
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on the post.
