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muaythaidm
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 10, 2002 4:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Does anybody know of any arts that started in Europe? I think Savate did, any others?
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 10, 2002 8:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know theirs grecoroman wrestling, but other than that I dont think there are. There is something that medeival knights used which involved grappling along with sword play, but that doesn't really apply. In Europe when it came to fighting it was all about having something with a sharp edge with you.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 11, 2002 7:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

uhhh Russian NO Holds Barred???

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 11, 2002 8:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

HMMMMM, European martial arts, eh?

Savate - the french kicking art

Fencing - developed somewhere in europe

SAMBO - Russian martial art

Krav Maga - Developed in Isreali, I think

There are some more, but I cant think of them off the top of my head.

Hope this helps

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 11, 2002 8:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Boxing, wrestling in all of it's european forms incl. Savate (French foot boxing, Sombo, Pankration,Faction Fighting used by the Irish, German, English, Finnish & Italian Fencing, Russian (ROSS)/Slavic MA, Rapier, Longsword, Broadsword, historical European combat grappling and dagger systems. There are many lost arts of unarmed combat dagger fighting and close-quarters sword combat as they were practiced throughout Europe centuries ago.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 11, 2002 12:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

During Midievel times many unique and interesting looking weapons were developed in Europe.

And how about chain mail? They did some unique armour work.

As well as what they called "quarterstaff".
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 12, 2002 5:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i understand that "the system" or "systema"
was developed in russia,
it involves alot of grappling and hardcore street defense, similar to bjj

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 12, 2002 11:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have a book written in the 1599 by an Englishman called George Silver that deals with sword, sword & buckler, sword & dagger, staff, battle axe, pike, forest bill etc etc.... It also covers "Closings, Gripes & Wrastlings". Here's a section (Very hard to read the Olde English - all the s's are f's etc...)

"...... there is no manner of teaching comparable to the old ancient teaching, that is, first their quarters, then their wardes, blowes, thrusts, and breaking of thrusts, then their Closes and Gripes, striking with the hilts, Daggers, Bucklers, Wrastlings, striking with the foote or knee in the Coddes, and all these are safely defended by learning perfectly the of the Gripes."

He also mentions ".... hitting with the knee in the Coddes, throwing down & stamping on the loins"

Pretty good stuff considering that was 403 years ago!





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PostPosted: Wed Feb 13, 2002 11:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sounds like a really cool book Yoda.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 13, 2002 7:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have some tapes showing old Shaolin techniques that have virtually no Western influence. They come through Indonesia as opposed to modern China. Anyway the pronating punches seen in modern karate and kungfu are absent. There are no high lateral kicks only upward snaps with various parts of the foot. There are no spinning techniques or ariel kicks of any kind. I personally believe that when you train in karate and learn lateral, ariel or circular techniques that you are learning things these systems picked up from France. Europe and Asia have been in contact for a long time. There really is no such thing as an ethnic martial art. Most are composites and have been so for the last 100 or so years.

Some of these articles deal with Africa and Australia. They're all worth a look.

http://www.alliancemartialarts.com

http://www.etp.phys.tue.nl/bertus/schermen/types.htm

http://www.savateaustralia.com/index.htm

http://flybynight.korolev.com/schoolofarms/

http://ejmas.com/jwma/jwmaart_wolf_0500.html

http://www.the-exiles.org/

http://ejmas.com/jmanly/jmanlyart_gorn_0401.htm

http://ejmas.com/jwma/jwmaart_steenput_1000.html

http://www.osmalandrosdemestretouro.bigstep.com/
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