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bushido_man96
KF Sensei
Joined: 31 Mar 2006
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Location: Hays, KS
Styles: Taekwondo, Combat Hapkido, Aikido, GRACIE, Police Krav Maga, SPEAR
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Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2011 4:10 pm Post subject: Fighting is what you do when you've screwed up self-defense |
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I am currently reading The Little Black Book of Violence, by Lawrence Kane and Kris Wilder, and the title of this thread comes from a quote out of the book. This quote is found on pg 249:
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Never forget that self-defense is really about not being there, using awareness, avoidance, and de-escalation to eliminate the need to fight. Fighting is what you do when you've totally screwed up your self-defense. |
I'd like to hear various thoughts on this. I think the statement hits pretty close to home. Fighting really isn't anything I want to be a part of on the street. Too many variable, and too many things can go wrong, especially for something triggering pride or ego. It absolutely should be a last resort.
Thoughts and opinions? _________________ www.haysgym.com
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Groinstrike
Pre-Black Belt
Joined: 26 Oct 2010
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Location: Richland County
Styles: Bujin Bugei Jutsu, Krav Maga, Jeet Kune Do, BJJ M
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Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2011 10:24 am Post subject: |
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I have read this book and was very impressed by it. I believe that it should be required reading for any martial arts student. I also believe that it should be required reading for every freshman boys P.E. class. Fighting over anything other than your life, your safety, your families safety, or your general wellbeing or wellbeing of others is assinine(sp?) in my opinion. Being a high school teacher, i see "fights" all the time, these are usually glorified pushing matches.
There is a stigma held by many young people that fighting is cool and gives you "cred" or makes you "hard"(never understood that one, somewhat disturbing). The fact of the matter is that fighting is dangerous, and people are severly injured and die.
A real fight is a chaotic, dangerous, brutal enviroment and you don't want to be in the middle of one. That is makes awarness so important. If you are in a bar and can't notice who the trouble makers are, you may find yourself in the middle of a very bad situation. Even if you can't avoid a fight, your awareness of the situation can allow you to get into positive body position or near an exit.
(Sorry for the rant) |
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UselessDave
Yellow Belt
Joined: 09 Jun 2011
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Location: Germany
Styles: Kyokushin karate
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Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2011 2:06 pm Post subject: |
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It gives you credit and makes you "hard", because it's dangerous and you could (read: could have died) die. _________________ "People study from boredom. They fall in love, get married and reproduce from boredom. And finally die from boredom." -Georg Buchner |
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Groinstrike
Pre-Black Belt
Joined: 26 Oct 2010
Posts: 923
Location: Richland County
Styles: Bujin Bugei Jutsu, Krav Maga, Jeet Kune Do, BJJ M
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Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2011 2:14 pm Post subject: |
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UselessDave wrote: |
It gives you credit and makes you "hard", because it's dangerous and you could (read: could have died) die. |
And this is a virtue how???? |
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bushido_man96
KF Sensei
Joined: 31 Mar 2006
Posts: 30167
Location: Hays, KS
Styles: Taekwondo, Combat Hapkido, Aikido, GRACIE, Police Krav Maga, SPEAR
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Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2011 2:24 pm Post subject: |
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Groinstrike wrote: |
UselessDave wrote: |
It gives you credit and makes you "hard", because it's dangerous and you could (read: could have died) die. |
And this is a virtue how???? |
I'm not sure it is a virtue. I'm sure fighting does make one tougher, and I've heard of people fighting and gaining reputations for it. As an LEO, I have seen the guys who get arrested for such "reputations." But, this kind of thing has a habit of catching up with one in a very bad way. Why risk that chance? Especially over pride or ego. All it takes is one small, insignificant miscalculation for a fight to very wrong, very quickly. Like stepping off a curb into traffic... _________________ www.haysgym.com
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Crimson_Lotus
Yellow Belt
Joined: 20 Jul 2011
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Location: Spokane, Wa.
Styles: Karate and MMA
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Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2011 7:28 pm Post subject: |
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You know, I really like that. I think I will be picking up the book.
I started karate for the main purpose of self defense.
Celeste _________________ "The more you sweat in training, the less you will bleed in battle." - Motto of the Navy Seals |
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JusticeZero
Black Belt
Joined: 02 Apr 2005
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Location: AK
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Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2011 9:09 pm Post subject: |
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I also recommend you look at Miller, Rory "Meditations on Violence", though for slightly different reasons. I'm sure there are some others, but that's one of the ones I consider particularly important. _________________ "Anything worth doing is worth doing badly." - Baleia |
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UselessDave
Yellow Belt
Joined: 09 Jun 2011
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Location: Germany
Styles: Kyokushin karate
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Posted: Fri Aug 12, 2011 12:33 am Post subject: |
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[quote="Groinstrike"][quote="UselessDave"]It gives you credit and makes you "hard", because it's dangerous and you could (read: could have died) die.[/quote]
And this is a virtue how????[/quote]Who said it's a virtue. I think there's clearly something that catches people's attention. Some find it somehow respectable. _________________ "People study from boredom. They fall in love, get married and reproduce from boredom. And finally die from boredom." -Georg Buchner |
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andym
Green Belt
Joined: 05 Jul 2011
Posts: 487
Styles: Goju Ryu
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Posted: Fri Aug 12, 2011 12:42 pm Post subject: |
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An excellent sentiment and totally agree with it. It looks like another book I'll have to add to my 'too buy' list. (and annoy the wife with). |
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LittleW
Orange Belt
Joined: 13 Jul 2011
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Styles: Shotokan
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Posted: Fri Aug 12, 2011 3:01 pm Post subject: |
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If I should ever come into such a situation, I can manage to get out of it without having to fight (as I wouldn't trust my MA or strength as far) or having somebody follow me (for, running is neither an option for me, I can't run fast or long).
And as to fighting just to look good? For whom?
If you have to fight to impress your friends, you should choose your friends more carefully. |
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