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PostPosted: Sun May 05, 2019 5:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alan Armstrong wrote:
Bruce Lee said "Never sacrifice power for speed"


Speed is power, the faster you deliver the more powerful is the effect.
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PostPosted: Sun May 05, 2019 5:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Another well documented urban legend is the "bull fighting", still plenty around who still believe it tho.....
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PostPosted: Mon May 06, 2019 11:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

pers wrote:
Alan Armstrong wrote:
Bruce Lee said "Never sacrifice power for speed"


Speed is power, the faster you deliver the more powerful is the effect.

Exactly! If I throw a 38 caliber bullet at you with my arm it will bounce off and you will laugh at me. If I fire it at about 850 feet per second it kills you.

Technique, Focus, Accuracy, Speed, Power! (You may know the order a little differently, but power is last because it is a result of the others.)
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PostPosted: Mon May 06, 2019 7:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I believe Bruce Lee was reffing to using the human body and not guns.

Never sacrifice power for speed?

Something I point out to fighters that, if you want points, then use speed, but for knock outs or causing damages use power shots.

Thefore I would suggest working on both, such as a fast jab and a powerful reverse punch, this is one typical example of many.

As some prefer all speed whilst others brawn and power.

Usually fast works for setups and power for finishing.

Power is needed for pulling off headlock techniques not speed.

As those that are not strong enough to maintain a headlock on another, have lost out on a chance to win, no matter how much leverage they have.

Speed hits quicker on the surface but power drives deeper and harder..

Yes, Bruce Lee is known for his speed and equally well for his use of power.

Each individual can choose between them speed or power, but remember speed might work against some better than others but there again power might be the best option.

Short range shots to the opponent needs strong muscle driving power behind them and not so much speed.

Long range shots can utilise the quickness of speed with momentum, which generates more power with relaxed muscles in a whipping motion.

Overhand right punches and hammer fists, utilising both the speed and power, to my mind, are the most dangerous and effective way possible towards delivering both in a single blow.
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PostPosted: Tue May 07, 2019 6:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Law of physics.... Mass x velocity =power
martial arts is not tug of war, you don't need power like weight lifters, you need speed to produce power, doesn't matter if you are point scoring in competition or going full contact and penetrating with your technique and releasing the energy produced by speed into your opponent.
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PostPosted: Tue May 07, 2019 8:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The trick is to make speed and strength as effective and as useful as possible.

When push comes to shove or a tug of any kind, I am sure that while physics is present, it will be my qualities as a maist that will decide my fate and not Mass x velocity = power, equations.
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PostPosted: Tue May 07, 2019 9:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alan Armstrong wrote:
The trick is to make speed and strength as effective and as useful as possible.

When push comes to shove or a tug of any kind, I am sure that while physics is present, it will be my qualities as a maist that will decide my fate and not Mass x velocity = power, equations.


The equation was brought in to show what makes power or energy

But good luck finding your way....
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PostPosted: Tue May 07, 2019 4:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

pers wrote:
Alan Armstrong wrote:
The trick is to make speed and strength as effective and as useful as possible.

When push comes to shove or a tug of any kind, I am sure that while physics is present, it will be my qualities as a maist that will decide my fate and not Mass x velocity = power, equations.


The equation was brought in to show what makes power or energy

But good luck finding your way....
Ditto.
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PostPosted: Tue May 07, 2019 7:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, the power vs. speed urban legend would be the one that states the two are independent of each other, when in fact, they are not.

Power is the first derivative of strength, and is the ability to express strength quickly. Quickly referring to speed. They are both fundamental fitness attributes, and both are important.
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PostPosted: Tue May 07, 2019 7:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bushido_man96 wrote:
Well, the power vs. speed urban legend would be the one that states the two are independent of each other, when in fact, they are not.

Power is the first derivative of strength, and is the ability to express strength quickly. Quickly referring to speed. They are both fundamental fitness attributes, and both are important.
Well said Bushido_man96.

The confusion arises when strength and power are considered to be the same.

For Bruce Lee "focusing" Chi/energy equals power; this is why he could do things incredibly well.
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