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Is Ground Fighting against muitiple opponents better then Stand Up fighting?
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Stand Up Fighting is better! |
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Ground Fighting all the way! |
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Existence_is _suffering
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Grappling is a pretty ridiculous idea in any fight that isn't one on one...
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marie curie
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| Posted: Sat Oct 13, 2007 9:52 pm Post subject: |
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No contest. One on one there is a valid discussion, but when you are in someone's guard, his 3 friends can just beat on you at will. When someone with friends mounts you, just plan on being dead.
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cross
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| Posted: Sun Oct 14, 2007 3:06 am Post subject: |
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| marie curie wrote: |
| No contest. One on one there is a valid discussion, but when you are in someone's guard, his 3 friends can just beat on you at will. When someone with friends mounts you, just plan on being dead. |
Assuming that survival cant be achieved when someone with friends has mounted you is hardly an approach that will help anyone interested in learning to defend themselves.
If you believe there is a chance that at some stage in your life someone with friends will mount you, id plan on learning some effective escapes from the mount.
Saying it cant be done, doesnt help anybody. |
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bushido_man96
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| Posted: Sun Oct 14, 2007 6:59 pm Post subject: |
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| cross wrote: |
| marie curie wrote: |
| No contest. One on one there is a valid discussion, but when you are in someone's guard, his 3 friends can just beat on you at will. When someone with friends mounts you, just plan on being dead. |
Assuming that survival cant be achieved when someone with friends has mounted you is hardly an approach that will help anyone interested in learning to defend themselves.
If you believe there is a chance that at some stage in your life someone with friends will mount you, id plan on learning some effective escapes from the mount.
Saying it cant be done, doesnt help anybody. |
Good points, cross. I don't think anyone goes into a situation planning on fighting 3 guys, let alone grappling with 3. However, you can be pummelled from the mount by 3 just as easily as 2 can hold on to you and get pounded by the other. As cross mentions, if they take you down, it is best to know how to escape the grappling.
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BMW
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| Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2007 11:50 am Post subject: |
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| 5- not good odds. If you have more than one you just gotta hope that they are all shabby fighters... |
Which to be honest, most so called "street fighters" are.
One of the most benevolent aspects of boxing is that you are forced to learn how to adapt to aggression.
Behavior is more important than technique I believe. I've seen many people that can look pretty on a speed bag but lose confidence, fortitude, and ability when in a ring and getting not only slugged on but pressed with aggression and of course violent intent from within their opponent. |
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dete
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| Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 1:35 am Post subject: |
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general concept:
one on one = you can finish them by making sure they can't run,
by taking them to the ground
multiple opponents = you want to survive, stay mobile, finish them another day.
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baronbvp
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I don't agree that most street fighters are shabby fighters. Of course, I don't know most street fighters, but the ones I have encountered or read about are somewhat experienced. Their technique may not be pretty. But when someone has been in a lot (over 20?) of street fights, they have some skills that got them through.
1. Willingness and ability to fight in spite of fear and adrenaline.
2. Knowing about the pain and fighting in spite of it, perhaps even after being injured.
3. Experience in no-holds-barred fighting that may include weapons.
4. Experience fighting in street clothes and on pavement.
5. Possible if not probable experience in multiple opponent situations.
6. If they are intelligent at all, they have modified their technique after first-hand experience in what works for them and what doesn't.
I'm guessing that they also don't want to go to the ground, because as others have said, it leaves you vulnerable and it's hard to run before the cops come. I think conflict deescalation and escape are your best options, with stand-up fighting as the choice over grappling the ground. As Cross said, use the ground only to get back to your feet - your getaway weapons of choice.
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tallgeese
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| Posted: Sat Aug 09, 2008 7:25 am Post subject: |
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Also, you're probibly going to have to train on the ground to know how to get back up form the ground. It won't happen just by accident.
Some of these guys who will jump are pretty experianced. Just not in a formal setting. Certainly they have the edge in a lack of morality that translates to haveing an easier time hurting you. |
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the beast
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| Posted: Sat Aug 09, 2008 7:05 pm Post subject: |
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| Against multiple opponents I wouldnt advise going to the ground,because while you may have one opponent down there with you it leaves you open for attacks from the others. |
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on the post.
