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Cory Reynolds
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 18, 2002 9:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

KSN Doug wrote:
"Now, I've seen in some of the other threads that some TKDs do teach at least a limited amount of grappling. For those that do, how much focus is there, at what point did you learn them, and what are a couple examples?"

At the school that I come from, grappling is officially incorperated into testing requirments at around red belt, which means that by at least green belt we start practicing it in class. We begin with teaching simple principles of getting to your stomach, then to your knees to try to escape. We also stress the importance of being able to defend yourself from whatever position you're caught in wether it be on your back, stomach, etc.




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three60roundhouse
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 19, 2002 5:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cory...going to your stomach is usually not a good idea - it gives the other guy clean shots where you can't see and leaves the door wide open for all sorts of chokes and stuff.

IN regular classes at my dojang, we learn some of what Cory said - we learn how to kick/punch from certain positions, some easy escapes from the mount, how to get someone in your guard, and how to stand up. My TKD instructor, who also trains in BJJ, has started a BJJ program for kids ages 8-14, and we are still learning the basics and stuff, but a lot of the more senior students are starting that.
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Cory Reynolds
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 19, 2002 6:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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On 2002-02-19 06:24, three60roundhouse wrote:
Cory...going to your stomach is usually not a good idea - it gives the other guy clean shots where you can't see and leaves the door wide open for all sorts of chokes and stuff.


How would you suggest getting back to your feet then? Doing a kip up? Levitation? Unless I'm mistaken, to get to your feet you need a solid base, to get to a solid base you need to get to your knees. Are you suggesting that you stay on back like a fish?

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 19, 2002 9:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Getting back to your feet without going to your stomach or knees is easy. Going to your knees or stomach is a one way ticket to a good kicking!

Check out any basic BJJ tape for the way to do this - if that's not available just yell & I'll type out a full description.



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 19, 2002 11:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey guys, my original post was not intended to have opinions of the system thrown in. I was just interested in comparing/contrasting the different KOREAN systems. Taezee may get mad at me, but I'm as guilty as the next guy for having thought of TKD as mainly kicks.

Since Kuk Sool Won depends heavily on grappling, as does Hapkido, I was interested in hearing more when someone said there was grappling taught in TKD. I'm not looking for ratings of its effectiveness compared to a pure grappling art.

Does anyone know how Tang Soo Do compares to the above three Korean systems?
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Cory Reynolds
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 19, 2002 11:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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On 2002-02-19 10:02, YODA wrote:
Getting back to your feet without going to your stomach or knees is easy.
Check out any basic BJJ tape for the way to do this - if that's not available just yell & I'll type out a full description.


I'm only guessing that it has something to do with getting on your side? Honestly I don't know anything about BJJ, would you please fill me in on some of the basics of getting to your feet? Thanks in advance.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 19, 2002 7:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

doug i aint mad atcha!!

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 20, 2002 4:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey Taezee, that's good to hear. Kuk Sool Won is probably closer to Hapkido than TKD. However, we do learn a lot of the same jumping, spinning, and jump-spinning kicks. We just don't learn them until a more advanced level.

We also do not do a lot on the ground, but we do have enough to counter being taken to the ground and get back up.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 21, 2002 8:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know a man that is in Kuk Sool Won and he says he loves it, I would really love to go to his dojo and watch one of the clases.

What are some of the things I would see?

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 21, 2002 8:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

About getting up i would try a sweap to take the person down with you. That would give a few seconds to get up and get away if needed.
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