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Alan Armstrong
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 01, 2017 10:01 am    Post subject: Handling skills Reply with quote

Handling skills physically takes different types of applications depending on context.

Hands on skills is an essential element in knowing how to do many tasks satisfactory.

From holding a baby to flying an airplane there are appropriate ways of physically handling all objects.

Martial arts is no exception, to have the knowledge and skills, especially when handling an opponent.

Practicing martial art skills "hands on" is essential, as realistically, wouldn't be considered viable without it.

As martial artist can lean more towards striking or grappling used in conjunction with each other or used separately.

How is your martial art handling skills and how can you gauge yourself compared with others?
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 01, 2017 11:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If I understand what your post is about, as well as what you're asking, you're speaking about Close Range techniques of the varied types. If so, well, that IS Shindokan.

85% hands, and we live, and thrive, and lust for Close Range Applications. We don't get in and get right out. No. We get in close, and we stay in close until otherwise. We don't back-up if we can help it, and if we do back-up, we're going to get right back up and close.

I'm very, very comfortable with my handling skills.



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 01, 2017 1:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

With no time to think or negotiate, having to instantly, be able to handle the situation physically, using martial art skills effectively.

Not easy to train for but is attainable.

Here is a very short video, handling a situation using martial art skills, what is your opinion on his workmanship?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DQ57wjjAX6Y
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 01, 2017 4:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I did see a while ago maybe it was from here, someone put a link to a youtube clip where a policeman in the middle of the street disarmed a guy with a knife. China, and it was very real he did an awesome job. If anyone remembers the clip or knows of it a link would be appreciated as it is relevant to this thread.
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Alan Armstrong
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 01, 2017 4:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Another point of view, being effective in martial art skills development and being able to do testing realistically?

As it is possible to be effective in a martial art niche without the realitys that surround it?

People that are highly skilled in whatever profession they are in, can easily spot amateurs at work very quickly, is this true in martial arts?

Professionals are always updating their skills with the latest techniques or enhancing and improving performance, knowledge and understanding in their field, is this true in martial arts?

Is this possible for martial artists skills also to be upgraded to professional, instead of learning with reverse engineering practices that could be outdated and regressive in nature?

Or perhaps the balance for martial art skills is in the blend of the old with the new?
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 01, 2017 5:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alan Armstrong wrote:
With no time to think or negotiate, having to instantly, be able to handle the situation physically, using martial art skills effectively.

Not easy to train for but is attainable.

Here is a very short video, handling a situation using martial art skills, what is your opinion on his workmanship?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DQ57wjjAX6Y

Sloppy!! The video appeared made-up to me; not realistic!!

Imho.



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 02, 2017 10:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That video looks like it was staged.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 02, 2017 3:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alan Armstrong wrote:
With no time to think or negotiate, having to instantly, be able to handle the situation physically, using martial art skills effectively.

Not easy to train for but is attainable.

Here is a very short video, handling a situation using martial art skills, what is your opinion on his workmanship?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DQ57wjjAX6Y


Choreographed. Not real. Bad example.
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Alan Armstrong
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 02, 2017 3:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The video was chosen for its borderline authenticity.

Being a real or staged video isn't of much importance.

As the highly skilled martial artist in the video looks too good to be real, when however martial artists having poor fighting skills (looking very bad) they become representatives of the style they are fighting in, therefore being accepted as real.

I for one am becoming more often than not disappointed with videos depicting martial artists showing or explaining their style or systems techniques and skills against a willing (accomplice) opponent.

As a boxer shows how to defeat a kung fu stylist blow for blow or how JKD is more advanced than Wing Chun always dramatizing the worst possible scenarios; or having bouts against unskilled opponents that might look more convincing.

Videos can make people look like something they are not, very similar to photo retouching techniques, now called photo shop.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 10, 2017 10:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

These "handling skills" should be honed in partner practice, with one-steps and sparring. One-steps can be tricky, though, as they should be used as a basic learning tool, but should be modified in my opinion as time goes on should become more of an engaging exercise between the two practitioners. Not quite sparring, but not as one-sided as one- or three-steps.
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