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G95champ
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 18, 2002 10:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree 100% application is very important. I do the ones I was taught then I and my students work on other applications that could be hidden in the kata all the time.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 25, 2002 6:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you were being ultra-zanshinish, you could perhaps avoid the footsweep using that sweeping move in the tekki-sho-dan kata? LOL!

Brain's gone blank and I can't think of the name for it, but that stance that's like the horse-stance except twisted slightly to a 45deg angle (sochin?) is VERY stable, even to bumps from either side. I used to try it (when I was very very bored) on the Tube (the Underground/Metro rail system in London) which is very bumpy indeed and it was the most stable stance I'd ever been in! The carriage was completely empty before you think I'm totally bonkers!
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 25, 2002 7:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shiko dachi Bitseah? Kiba dachi (horse stance has the feet facing straight forward. Shiko dachi has the feet facing out at a 45 degree angle and ideally the thighs parallel to the floor.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 26, 2002 6:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jiggy, If your in a hose/sumo stance, and I know my stances, but your facing your side, your in a side stance, or (depending on the angle) a back stance.
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PostPosted: Wed May 01, 2002 1:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In Reply to the last post, while i was a practicioner of karate i trained in the horse stance for a long time and found the with PROPER technique and body conditioning that leg sweeps were fairly ineffective due to the power developed in my legs. Also it is possible to channel a push/shove downwards to prevent yourself being knocked over.
To KickChick, yes there is a kata called tekki done completely in horse stance, its cool but it gets to be a bugger after a while, if you try it, learn it quickly. cyas later.
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PostPosted: Wed May 01, 2002 7:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hehe well "Tekki" used to be called "Naihanchi" and was originally the first kata learnt. It also had a reputation for being "the most deadly kata"... Choki Motobu said that naihanchi was the only kata needed to learn how to fight effectively.
Also, it was originally not in horse stance, or so I've heard, but something called "Naihanchi Stance" which was similar but not identical.
Anyone been taught this version? How does the stance actually differ?
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PostPosted: Thu May 02, 2002 2:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

nihanchi dachi is kiond of like a real wide sanchin you dont get as deep as a shiko dachi and you turn you feet inward like in sanchin dachi. also the shiko in a 45 degree angle is called a sochin dachi at least that is what we call it in shi-to ryu .

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PostPosted: Thu May 02, 2002 6:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have not had the time to read all of the replies to your questions Bon, but I have heard that Horseriding stance was originally for warriors who were indeed, mounted on horseback.

I think it makes sence.

It would also explain some of the jump spin kicks, a lot of them would be quite applicable for striking a rider off his horse.


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PostPosted: Thu May 02, 2002 7:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The horse stance has benefits that may not be apparent, for example: A student who practices progressively deeper and deeper horse stances unwittingly learns proper hip alignment for high kicks. Also, He/she resets the nervous system's "barrier" allowing deeper and deeper stretches. Also the strength that horse stance training gives you minimizes the chance that you will sustain muscle injuries during high kicks. If you are worried about having enviable strength and flexibility then you should avoid the horse stance.
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PostPosted: Fri May 03, 2002 8:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ah, the so-called PNF stretching method - essentially where one contracts the muscle for a short period (10s would do) before stretching it. It stands for proprioceptive neuromuscular facilitating (!) or the contraction-relaxation-stretching method. It's all to do with the tendon organs sending over-riding inhibitory signals to the muscles during the relaxation that follows the contraction. When the stretch is then gently re-applied it can generally be applied slightly more than previously.
I hadn't thought of kiba-dachi in that way but it seem consistant.

[ This Message was edited by: Bitseach on 2002-05-03 10:23 ]
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