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bushido_man96
KF Sensei
Joined: 31 Mar 2006
Posts: 30188
Location: Hays, KS
Styles: Taekwondo, Combat Hapkido, Aikido, GRACIE, Police Krav Maga, SPEAR
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Posted: Thu Dec 25, 2008 12:58 am Post subject: How does your school incorporate self-defense training? |
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How do you, as an instructor, or your school, if you are a student, incorporate self-defense training into your classes?
Do you do self-defense in every class? Do you use applications from forms/bunkai? Do you use one-steps training to incorporate it?
Currently, I use my sessions in Defensive Tactics and Combat Hapkido, along with bits and pieces I have picked up and pieced together for basic moves and forms applications, along with concepts from one-steps for my self-defense needs.
Our organization has a very small group of Ho Sin Sul, but we don't ever do it at our school. So, I have to incorporate self-defense training through other venues. _________________ www.haysgym.com
http://www.sunyis.com/
www.aikidoofnorthwestkansas.com |
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NightOwl
Black Belt
Joined: 08 Dec 2006
Posts: 1097
Location: Lost on the West Coast
Styles: Working on Judo and BJJ
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Posted: Thu Dec 25, 2008 6:56 am Post subject: |
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I've trained at a mma gym that had a police training course and Women's only BJJ, but otherwise I've not trained anywhere with a program like that. What do you usually go over for SD? _________________ Don't hit at all if it is honorably possible to avoid hitting; but never hit soft.
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cross
Black Belt
Joined: 22 Jan 2003
Posts: 1904
Location: Australia
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Posted: Thu Dec 25, 2008 9:12 am Post subject: |
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I train at a bjj/kickboxing/mma club so self defense isnt covered specifically. I supplement this with rbsd on weekends with a couple of friends. Ive found the only real "self defense" training you need is something to bridge the gap between the first few moments of a confrontation(the part usually not covered in a normal class) and the start of the fight. |
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tallgeese
Black Belt
Joined: 04 May 2008
Posts: 6879
Location: McHenry County, IL
Styles: Brazilian Jiu Jitsu, Bujin Bugei Jutsu, Gokei Ryu Kempo Jutsu, MMA, Shootfighting, boxing, kickboxing, JKD, Pekiti Tersia Kali
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Posted: Thu Dec 25, 2008 12:00 pm Post subject: |
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I guess it varies based on your definition of self defense. I'd argue that if you're practicing hitting things and not getting hit, then you're practicing it in every class.
We tend to think this way in our group. Everything you do revolves around defending ones self. We try to train the mind like that, every mit you hit, glove or weapon you parry, ect. it's all sd. That breeds in a sense of preperation to you training and an acceptance of what could happen.
As far as movemtns go, I usually set up everything off the string of our principles (evade, stun, unbalance, control) and work thru them with a flow. That way I'm teaching the principles without lecturing. I usually try to incoporate some sort of counter or "oops" in each series as well. just to keep everyone thinking of alternitives and developing the ability to flow thru movments when things go wrong.
So, I'd say every class. But that's just the way I look at things. |
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joesteph
Black Belt
Joined: 11 Aug 2008
Posts: 2753
Location: USA
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Posted: Thu Dec 25, 2008 9:29 pm Post subject: |
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What we call self-defense techniques (Ho Sin Sool) in class are required defense against wrist grab techniques. What's good about them is that, if you don't pay too much attention to the idea that you're defending yourself against a wrist grab, it opens the door for you to see how to defend yourself in more real-life situations, in the broader application of the movements of the technique.
The required one-step sparring exercises (Il Soo Sik Dae Ryun) have their strengths and weaknesses, meaning some are quite understandably productive, and others are, IMO, there only to incorporate certain MA movements together, likely to practice them. The sparring techniques that are not required, that my instructor has us do for variety, open up more in terms of self-defense training and have even caused me to better look out for "incoming," as well as give a good response.
One, the other, or both can be found in just about every class session. _________________ ~ Joe
Vee Arnis Jitsu/JuJitsu |
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cross
Black Belt
Joined: 22 Jan 2003
Posts: 1904
Location: Australia
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Posted: Thu Dec 25, 2008 10:24 pm Post subject: |
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From my point of view, the physical techniques are of least priority if we are talking purely about self defense.
For me, self defense training is practicing things like non-violent postures, verbal de-escalation tactics, situational awareness, being up to date on your legal rights in terms of defending yourself, having a plan if your attacked while in public with your family/friends, training with improvised weapons.
All that happens before you even get to throwing a punch or escaping the terrible wrist grab. Then you can add in pre-emptive strikes, reflexive response training, cover and crash drills, safe disengangment techniques. And if all this fails, then youve got your art of choice to fall back on.
Thats how i define "self defense" anyway. |
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bushido_man96
KF Sensei
Joined: 31 Mar 2006
Posts: 30188
Location: Hays, KS
Styles: Taekwondo, Combat Hapkido, Aikido, GRACIE, Police Krav Maga, SPEAR
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Posted: Fri Dec 26, 2008 12:10 am Post subject: |
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NightOwl wrote: |
What do you usually go over for SD? |
At this point, it just depends on the day. My DT partner has some certification levels in Close Quarters Combatives, so he'll put different things together on different days. We often review and refine what he is teaching in his DT classes for the police department, so most of it is job-related for me. We work into controls that either become escorts, or cuffing positions. _________________ www.haysgym.com
http://www.sunyis.com/
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