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sensei8
KF Sensei
Joined: 23 Feb 2008
Posts: 16430
Location: Las Vegas, NV
Styles: Shindokan Saitou-ryu [Shuri-te/Okinawa-te based]
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| What does this maxim mean to you? |
It means what it's intended to mean. "Kill With One Blow"!!!
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I interpret it to mean that I will strike, kick, block, punch...EVERYTHING...100%...as hard as I can EVERYTIME!
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To give 100% in everything that I do that is of the Martial Arts...in EVERYTHING that is/belongs to my Shindokan/Martial Arts training!
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Preacher
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Joined: 22 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Tue Dec 22, 2009 10:16 pm Post subject: My interpretation |
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The aspect of the quote is what it is meant to translate to
kill with one punch
My interpretation - to kill with one punch
Next time you practice one of your Kata's against your unseen opponent. Note the moment you release a Kiai, it is with the movement of a limb into the target.
Hence the countless hours training on the makiwara, and other tools.
Just my opinion, great topic for discussion
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Ichi_Geki
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Joined: 29 Nov 2009
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Styles: Director of Fudoshin Machi Dojo
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Very nice posts.
I believe it is meant literally to kill with one hit. Although I have also heard it being called ichi geki hissatsu. but what ever.
but in a modern day translation I would call it..."knocking out, or emaciating with one hit"...because lets face it...if you kill someone...your in trouble even with "self defense"... |
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Preacher
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Joined: 22 Dec 2009
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In todays Military (Depending on the service), the concept of hand to hand combat is still taught with the intention of deadly force. Law Enforcement, to include Corrections are also taught strikes to incapacitate the adversary to include deadly force.
Though we a re a civil society, there will always be those who break the law. Should you ever be placed in a situation where help is several miles, or minutes away. You have the simple choice of flight or fight. Situation and person dictates.
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shimizu
Yellow Belt
Joined: 31 Mar 2012
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Location: England
Styles: Shukokai Karate (and ITF Tae Kwon-Do)
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to me, this is a single technique that completely obliterates life
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MasterPain
Black Belt
Joined: 26 Oct 2010
Posts: 1949
Location: Parts Unknown
Styles: Bujin Bugei Jutsu, Backyard Kali, Satsui no Hadou
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| Posted: Sat May 26, 2012 2:52 pm Post subject: |
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To me, it's a joke unless said by someone who can hit harder than Tank Abbott, who despite benching over 600 pounds, and having punching technique designed to optimize power with no thought of defense, never killed anyone.
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ShoriKid
Pre-Black Belt
Joined: 14 Dec 2007
Posts: 900
Styles: Matsubyashi-Ryu, Okinawan Kempo, wrestling, bits of BJJ
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| Posted: Sat May 26, 2012 8:22 pm Post subject: |
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| sensei8 wrote: |
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| What does this maxim mean to you? |
It means what it's intended to mean. "Kill With One Blow"!!!
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| How do you interpret it? |
I interpret it to mean that I will strike, kick, block, punch...EVERYTHING...100%...as hard as I can EVERYTIME!
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| How does this idea affect your training? |
To give 100% in everything that I do that is of the Martial Arts...in EVERYTHING that is/belongs to my Shindokan/Martial Arts training!
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I love this post sensei8. It encapsulates a lot, especially the second section. At our dojo we constantly remind students that they should preform kihon and kata as if each technique were the last one they would get in a fight that meant the living or dieing. 100% effort and commitment to the movement both physically and emotionally.
Addressing the question though, I do believe the "one strike, one kill" ethos of training has more to do with the adaptation of Japanese budo, most especially sword work, than with the idea that one could, and would, literally end a life with each single technique.
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sensei8
KF Sensei
Joined: 23 Feb 2008
Posts: 16430
Location: Las Vegas, NV
Styles: Shindokan Saitou-ryu [Shuri-te/Okinawa-te based]
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| Posted: Sun May 27, 2012 2:55 pm Post subject: |
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| What does this maxim mean to you? |
It means what it's intended to mean. "Kill With One Blow"!!!
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| How do you interpret it? |
I interpret it to mean that I will strike, kick, block, punch...EVERYTHING...100%...as hard as I can EVERYTIME!
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| How does this idea affect your training? |
To give 100% in everything that I do that is of the Martial Arts...in EVERYTHING that is/belongs to my Shindokan/Martial Arts training!
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I love this post sensei8. It encapsulates a lot, especially the second section. At our dojo we constantly remind students that they should preform kihon and kata as if each technique were the last one they would get in a fight that meant the living or dieing. 100% effort and commitment to the movement both physically and emotionally.
Addressing the question though, I do believe the "one strike, one kill" ethos of training has more to do with the adaptation of Japanese budo, most especially sword work, than with the idea that one could, and would, literally end a life with each single technique. |
Thanks for the kind words ShoriKid!! And back to you...solid post from you as well!!
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sensei8
KF Sensei
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Location: Las Vegas, NV
Styles: Shindokan Saitou-ryu [Shuri-te/Okinawa-te based]
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| MasterPain wrote: |
| To me, it's a joke unless said by someone who can hit harder than Tank Abbott, who despite benching over 600 pounds, and having punching technique designed to optimize power with no thought of defense, never killed anyone. |
I doubt that Ikken hissatsu is a joke, and therefore, imho, it shouldn't be taken lightly either.
There's an ancient Okinawa principle that might interest you. It's practiced as it was meant to be by the Okinawa warriors of that day, but few Okinawa schools practice it. Shorin-ryu, Goju-ryu, and yes, Shindokan, still do practice Renzoku ken (Continuous Fist).
Bushi-te is the art that was practiced back then, and to do Renzoku ken any justice, one must still practice it. And without going into a lot of its history, development, techniques, and applications here, let me just point out some key points. Imho, Ikken hissatsu is no joke.
*Excellent grappling applications for use in subduing and restraining
*It included the devastating Ikken hissatsu technique for life-or-death situations
*It also addresses vital-point strikes, so that one will know where to deliver blows which could severely injure or kill an attacker
*For those situations when grappling was ineffective and the one-strike kill was foiled, the art provided a follow-up attack known as renzoku ken
*In the Bushi-te, each renzoku ken technique was fully focused, as if it were the only technique needed. Just as the concept of Ikken hissatsu IS
*If the technique was blocked or dodged, the bushi-te stylist would flow into another technique which was a natural extension of the original movement. The result was an extremely effective series of techniques which kept an attacker on the defensive, and eventually overpowered him
*Renzoku ken serves as an effective follow-up maneuver to a grappling technique. If grappling moves failed, one would be in close proximity to their opponent and vulnerable to a counterattack. Thus, the bushi-te exponent was prepared to transition naturally from the grappling technique to a withering barrage of strikes
*Tuite, Shindokan's bread and butter, in which one person attacks while the defender applies a joint lock. then flows into whatever counterstrike comes most naturally
*To move again and again until a resolution is eventually achieved
*Ikken methods, sometimes are not enough to end a real confrontation. All too often, however, it is the second or third strike that's needed. Hence the importance of also training in Renzoku ken
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JusticeZero
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Means some teacher was having to say "Quit messing around with trying to learn how to hit softly for five minutes to "wear down" your opponent and practice to get it done before you get stabbed or arrested!"
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on the post.
