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bjornxon
White Belt
Joined: 02 Jan 2013
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Styles: JKA Shotokan Karate
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The question was posted long ago but it's still interesting. 
Different styles probably have different views on bouncing. I train Shotokan Karate and one instructor we had visiting to help out with gradings last time sad that (in competitions) back in the 80's just about everybody was standing still, but it has changed over time. Today most people in competitions are bouncing, faking, moving more and trying to trick the opponent. So today you have to stay more mobile than 30 years ago.
But then I'm just talking about competitional Shotokan Karate. In other styles and in self defence it may be better to stay away from bouncing.
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bushido_man96
KF Sensei
Joined: 31 Mar 2006
Posts: 30188
Location: Hays, KS
Styles: Taekwondo, Combat Hapkido, Aikido, GRACIE, Police Krav Maga, SPEAR
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Earlier on in my TKD career, I bounced a lot more, and was a proponent of it. Now, that I carry more weight, and my knees ache more, and I get tired quicker, I choose not to bounce, and let those young pups run around. If you see it enough, the bouncing and feinting won't get to you.
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AdamKralic
Blue Belt
Joined: 11 Jan 2013
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Location: Chicagoland
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Bruce Lee bounced a lot.
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Hawkmoon
Pre-Black Belt
Joined: 17 Jun 2013
Posts: 891
Location: MK in the UK
Styles: Kyokushin
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| Posted: Thu Jun 20, 2013 7:52 am Post subject: |
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Bounce .... don't bounce..
It comes down to the fighter:
(Hoping this works)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exYXeMkpoCM
An 8 min video, enjoy.
Watch all of the video upto 55secs then jump forward for some 'nice' examples!
0:55
1:12
1:24
1:36
1.40
Its all down to the fight and the fighter, some bounce some don't, some do both !
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A fav bit in that film has little to do with bounce or not, but with desire.
Have a look at 4:27, the loser took his eyes off the game and paid the price.
Then 4:32, the green belt (3rd kyu) is fighting a ShoDan, he sees the ShoDan is faltering and ....pow!
Fight the man not the grade!
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sensei8
KF Sensei
Joined: 23 Feb 2008
Posts: 16425
Location: Las Vegas, NV
Styles: Shindokan Saitou-ryu [Shuri-te/Okinawa-te based]
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| Posted: Thu Jun 20, 2013 11:30 am Post subject: |
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Bounce .... don't bounce..
It comes down to the fighter:
(Hoping this works)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exYXeMkpoCM
An 8 min video, enjoy.
Watch all of the video upto 55secs then jump forward for some 'nice' examples!
0:55
1:12
1:24
1:36
1.40
Its all down to the fight and the fighter, some bounce some don't, some do both !
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A fav bit in that film has little to do with bounce or not, but with desire.
Have a look at 4:27, the loser took his eyes off the game and paid the price.
Then 4:32, the green belt (3rd kyu) is fighting a ShoDan, he sees the ShoDan is faltering and ....pow!
Fight the man not the grade!
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Solid post, especially the fight the man not the grade!! However, many do fight the grade, and this steals so much from both. Both are there to LEARN!!
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Hawkmoon
Pre-Black Belt
Joined: 17 Jun 2013
Posts: 891
Location: MK in the UK
Styles: Kyokushin
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| Posted: Thu Jun 20, 2013 12:30 pm Post subject: |
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That is so true.
The magic word....learn... To do that we fight to see a thing before a thing happens.
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Nidan Melbourne
KF Sempai
Joined: 21 Aug 2013
Posts: 2358
Location: Melbourne, Australia
Styles: Goju-Ryu, BJJ, Balintawak Arnis
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As much as some instructors say that it is wrong. but he/she is right that it can waste energy.
Although you bounce they can't predict when you are going to move. as they are used to you bouncing forwards and backwards. |
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Hawkmoon
Pre-Black Belt
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Location: MK in the UK
Styles: Kyokushin
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Correct, to a degree, the bounce is 'hiding' what you are doing (hopefully). It serves to confuse as much as it serves to set up a rhythm that could be used to draw your opponent in for your next attack!
A thing to keep in mind is if you move do so with a reason or with purpose to move around for the sake of it is a waste of time and more importantly energy.
Everyone has a tell or three (no exceptions).
That thing a fighter learns the more they fight different people what ever the tell is that it offers a a little advanced warning about what is about to happen!
karate is not alone in this, all fighting sports work on this. e.g boxing, judo..etc
No matter how good we are, how good we think we are, we all have the same tells, to lesser or greater degree and effect but we all have them.
We work to reduce them as much as we can, we train to hide them, the bounce is an easy one to do and one that helps mostly, but can add a collection of its own new tells.
We learn what the tell is, and react as best we can, or as we have learnt.
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JusticeZero
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Joined: 02 Apr 2005
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| Hawkmoon wrote: |
| if you move do so with a reason or with purpose to move around for the sake of it is a waste of time and more importantly energy. |
As long as the movement is changing the situation, it is useful. Vibrating in place doesn't change the situation much.
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Hawkmoon
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| JusticeZero wrote: |
| Hawkmoon wrote: |
| if you move do so with a reason or with purpose to move around for the sake of it is a waste of time and more importantly energy. |
As long as the movement is changing the situation, it is useful. Vibrating in place doesn't change the situation much. |
Yup good call! Your right!
Thank you for he correction!
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