Add KarateForums.com
Let's Help sensei8 in His Time of Need
KarateForums.com Awards 2021: Winners Revealed!
Username:    Password:
Remember Me?    
   I Lost My Password!
Post new topic   This topic is locked: you cannot edit posts or make replies.    KarateForums.com Forum Index -> Karate
Goto page 1, 2  Next
 See a User Guidelines violation? Press on the post.
Author Message

Tobias_Reece
Brown Belt
Brown Belt

Joined: 26 May 2001
Posts: 691
Location: Leeds, England
Styles: Matayoshi Okinawawn Kobudo, Shotokan Karate

PostPosted: Sat Jan 19, 2002 9:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

For all you karate practitioners out there

I'm just interested to what people have to say about the kata Jitte (AKA Jutte).

I know several different theories behind this, and how it got its name, but I am interested in what other people know abut this kata.

I post what I know later, just to see what other people think.

C ya




_________________
"You Are Never Given A Dream Without Also Being Given The Power To Make It True. You May Have To Work For It, However"

Principal Kobudo Instructor & Owner
West Yorkshire Kobudo Academy
2nd Kyu (Matayoshi Okinawan Kobudo, IOKA UK)
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Visit poster's website Yahoo Messenger MSN Messenger

Karateka
Red Belt
Red Belt

Joined: 22 Jun 2001
Posts: 786
Location: North Vancouver, Canada

PostPosted: Sat Jan 19, 2002 10:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I thought its name meant ten-hands

_________________
"Never hit a man while he's down; kick him, its easier"

Sensei Ron Bagley (My Sensei)
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Visit poster's website

Tobias_Reece
Brown Belt
Brown Belt

Joined: 26 May 2001
Posts: 691
Location: Leeds, England
Styles: Matayoshi Okinawawn Kobudo, Shotokan Karate

PostPosted: Sat Jan 19, 2002 10:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Karate

Yes, I thought that the name does mean 10 tens, Ju - ten, te - hand.

This could mean that the practitioner has the strength of 10 men.

However, there is another theory.

A jutte was a japanese weapon, very similar to a sai, but with one prong and a bit shorter. Maybe the kata was named after this weapon, as the floor pattern in very simlar to the shape of the weapon.

Anyone else have any ideas?

C ya

_________________
"You Are Never Given A Dream Without Also Being Given The Power To Make It True. You May Have To Work For It, However"

Principal Kobudo Instructor & Owner
West Yorkshire Kobudo Academy
2nd Kyu (Matayoshi Okinawan Kobudo, IOKA UK)
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Visit poster's website Yahoo Messenger MSN Messenger

Gloi
Blue Belt
Blue Belt

Joined: 15 Nov 2001
Posts: 253
Location: England
Styles: 1st dan Shotokan, 1st kup TKD

PostPosted: Sat Jan 19, 2002 11:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had a video of Elmar Schmeisser doing jitte as a bo kata which I downloaded from his site a while ago. Unfortunately I cannot find the address for it at the moment but it looked pretty convincing when he did it like that.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message MSN Messenger

Tobias_Reece
Brown Belt
Brown Belt

Joined: 26 May 2001
Posts: 691
Location: Leeds, England
Styles: Matayoshi Okinawawn Kobudo, Shotokan Karate

PostPosted: Sat Jan 19, 2002 12:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gloi

Yes, there is a part in Jitte which involves the techniques called "Morote-jo(/bo)-dori". (double staff catch)

I also experimented with the Sai. It worked quite well, especially the staff grabbing techniques.

Keep on posting

C ya

_________________
"You Are Never Given A Dream Without Also Being Given The Power To Make It True. You May Have To Work For It, However"

Principal Kobudo Instructor & Owner
West Yorkshire Kobudo Academy
2nd Kyu (Matayoshi Okinawan Kobudo, IOKA UK)
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Visit poster's website Yahoo Messenger MSN Messenger

ronryu
Orange Belt
Orange Belt

Joined: 29 Nov 2001
Posts: 199
Location: griffin , ga
Styles: Shito ryu karate

PostPosted: Sat Jan 19, 2002 2:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am familar with the ten hands translation . I am also told that it could mean temple hands if it is in line with the other 2 sister kata jion temple sound , ji'in temple ground . These 3 kata all start with the right fist in the left palm as a monk greeting . (chinese ?) . hope this helps these 3 kata are some of my favorite .

_________________
Karate is not a sport , it is a way of life .
Sandan Motobu ha Shi-to ryu karate
Katsu ryu kempo
Ryukyu kobudo
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Visit poster's website AIM Address

Joecooke007
Brown Belt
Brown Belt

Joined: 24 Nov 2001
Posts: 720


PostPosted: Sat Jan 19, 2002 4:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

all of your input is very interesting. As a Goju Ryu practitioner I have not learned these katas.

_________________
Boards don't hit back.
-Bruce Lee
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail AIM Address

SaiFightsMS
KF VIP

Joined: 28 Oct 2001
Posts: 6397
Location: Ohio
Styles: Shotokan, Shorin Ryu, Shi-to Ryu

PostPosted: Sat Jan 19, 2002 5:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have a link to what may be the article Gloi was referring to: http://www.aka.com.au/article7.htm
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message

Gloi
Blue Belt
Blue Belt

Joined: 15 Nov 2001
Posts: 253
Location: England
Styles: 1st dan Shotokan, 1st kup TKD

PostPosted: Sun Jan 20, 2002 4:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sai, that's not the one I meant, it was a series of 3 video clips on Elmar's own site that I was thinking of although I think both those and the article you referred to are from the same time when it was being discussed on the Shotokan yahoo group. We've done the part in class with the catch against a bo attack but not the whole kata as a bo kata like Elmar demonstrated it.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message MSN Messenger

moobrack
Black Belt
Black Belt

Joined: 09 Aug 2001
Posts: 1167
Location: Leeds

PostPosted: Sun Jan 20, 2002 6:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ddnt jitte come from 3 kata which originated in a temple, (i forget the place) the three kata are Ji'in Jitte and Jion if I am correct.

_________________
Anthony Bullock
1st Dan Black Belt - Shotokan Karate
5th Kyu Yellow Belt - Aiki-Jutsu
www.universaldojo.com Coming Soon
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Visit poster's website MSN Messenger
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic   This topic is locked: you cannot edit posts or make replies.    KarateForums.com Forum Index -> Karate All times are GMT - 6 Hours
Goto page 1, 2  Next
Page 1 of 2
Jump to:  
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum


< Advertising - Contact - Disclosure Policy - Staff - User Guidelines >