Jumps in the advanced katas

SaiFightsMS · KF VIP

As I approach Kanku Dai I once again face the jump. Due to the ms I no longer possess the ability to jump. In Heian Godan I am in the air about an inch before I land in the final Kosa dachi.

In Rohai I have a problem with the 360 spin in the crescent kick. I solved this problem with an extra step.

Any input on how I might adapt some of the upcoming katas to my abilities?

Karateka · Red Belt

I am sorry, I have no clue.

If you ever figure out a way, let me know so I could pass it on to others.

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bagpuss · Orange Belt

Sorry can't help but your not the only one.
Heian Godan is the kata im learning and it is doing my head in, The jump is ok but landing in the front stance is a killer. Also the groin grab I think im going to low. now im worried as my grading is only two weeks away.

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Tobias_Reece · Brown Belt

SaiFights

May I ask what style of karate you practice?

In our style, Kanku-Dai contains no jump - it is Kanku-Sho that does.

In Meikyo (Rohai) the jump doesn't really need to be particulary high - but sorry, no tips from me - I just do it (not very well I might add

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I dont really know what to say - just keep trying I suppose?

C ya

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winterkarate · Yellow Belt

i dont really have any advice for you apart from modify the katas to suit your own needs and if need be try the kata without the jump by adding a step, but ok this with your sensei first.

hope i could be of some help,

W.K.

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SaiFightsMS · KF VIP

Actually I am in a Shotokan school. We do Rohai as a result of a prior association with a Hayash- ai hai Shi-to ryu group. In time Rohai will be phased out of our curriculum.

The point I am thinking of as a jumping kick towards the end of the kata (going towards the back of the room) may also be viewed as a double kick.

The more I look at information and the further along I go in Karate the more I see that some of the splits among karate pioneers in the past result in a lot of difference now among practitioners of the same style.

We have one guy in the dojo who loves to practice Heian godan by jumping over a chair at that point in the kata. Hey, he jumps over grocery cart's in the store too. Or so says his mother.

Seriously, as I stay involved in karate I do run into things from time to time that are more difficult than other's for me to execute well. I do things now I never imagined that I would be able to do 6 years now. At times I do find the challange a bit frustrating, but on the whole I love the challange more.

Tobias_Reece · Brown Belt

SaiFights

Sorry, I got mixed up. I thought the jump refered to the spinning jump in Kanku-sho, not the double kick.

Funakoshi changed the name Rohai to Meiyko (sp?) I think, so if you do Shotokan, it should be called Meiyko.

I could be wrong

C ya

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SaiFightsMS · KF VIP

Tobias I have been looking at several katas in more detail recently. It seems differences abound. For example I have found at least 10 ways different Shotokan groups do Bassai Dai.
All of the ways are obviously Bassai Dai and most of the differences are small. But it is amazing how many groups do moves in different stances at the same points in the katas.

In a way it seems each "expert" who broke from their master added their own touches to what they learned. Rivalry among groups also spawned differences. It is really interesting.

I am not looking for my own style or anything, just a way to do my katas to the best of my abilities. I kind of think by looking around and seeing how others do the same thing I might gain a bit of insight.

SaiFightsMS · KF VIP

Tobias I have been looking at several katas in more detail recently. It seems differences abound. For example I have found at least 10 ways different Shotokan groups do Bassai Dai.
All of the ways are obviously Bassai Dai and most of the differences are small. But it is amazing how many groups do moves in different stances at the same points in the katas.

In a way it seems each "expert" who broke from their master added their own touches to what they learned. Rivalry among groups also spawned differences. It is really interesting.

I am not looking for my own style or anything, just a way to do my katas to the best of my abilities. I kind of think by looking around and seeing how others do the same thing I might gain a bit of insight.

Tobias_Reece · Brown Belt

Sai

Yes, I know there are many different ways of doing katas. And yes, I have seen tens of different ways of doing Bassai-dai as well.

Recently, at a competition I was refereeing, I saw a kid perform Hangetsu in Kiba-dachi. All the judges looked at each other, but we couldn't fail the kid because it was just a modification.

Its so confusing

C ya

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