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ano45
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 24, 2005 12:24 am    Post subject: Justifed? Yes? No? Reply with quote

So here is our scenario...

Joe is a Black Belt who is in a store purchasing some stuff. In walks a robber who is so pumped up that he doesn't even notice Joe standing on the other side of the store. The robber pulls a gun on the clerk and demands money. Joe then runs up to the robber and hits him in the head knocking him unconcious. The robber falls down and cracks his skull open. He dies.
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ano45
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 24, 2005 12:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Was he justified?
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Sam
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 24, 2005 8:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

yes
he was defending someone else in a life threatening situatino. the black belt is irrelevant in this case.
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ano45
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 26, 2005 3:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sam wrote:
yes
he was defending someone else in a life threatening situatino. the black belt is irrelevant in this case.


however, HIS life was in no danger... and ur right the black belt part is irrelevant.....but then again, try explaining that to the judge...
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 27, 2005 5:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

i was talking morally justified....
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ano45
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 27, 2005 11:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sam wrote:
i was talking morally justified....


yes yes but was he legaly JUSTIFIED?
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Sam
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 27, 2005 2:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

no then....
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Monkeymagic
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 27, 2005 7:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dodgy?!?
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Sam
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 28, 2005 4:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

its a bit odd.... if he gave the robbers some warning the guy turned the gun on him.... or ifthe robber seemed erratic [difficult to prove] he could say he feared for his life as the guy might just shoot the place up anyway.... in either of those cases he would be justified.... if the robber was calm and just pointed thegun at the clerk then no legallyhes not.
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shotochem
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 30, 2005 10:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't believe a jury would ever convict him. If it actually would go to trial think of all the publicity it would get.......

Movie deals, photo ops, time to write that book ect....

No one in their right mind would hold the person accountable. Morally,
if you feel bad send flowers. There is an inherent danger of being killed while performing an armed robbery. Robber gets killed, sucks for him.
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