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PostPosted: Mon Feb 15, 2016 12:57 pm    Post subject: Knee Over Pressure Pass Reply with quote

As we left the side position and a paper cutter choke sequence, we moved into more guard passing. Here, we discuss breaking the guard from a kneeling position and conducting a knee over pass:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkOGsSe_Fz0

So, how does everyone else break guard? Deal with the movement to open guard? Use combat base?
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 24, 2016 4:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've had trouble breaking guard, because I always end up leaving the arm and letting myself get triangled.

I saw the very beginning the way you pressured back, but then did you just use you elbows to pressure the pass? I did like the method you used here, and getting to side control is better than getting to the mount. I also like the combat base, which would be a good fit for the DT aspect of teaching a guard pass.

I learned a stacking guard pass in Royce's system in which you posture up onto your feet, and pressure in on them and try to close the knees inwards, but we use punches or palm strikes to the face to break the guard, then backstroke an arm to pass into side control. Nice for DT purposes, but not for general rolling in our club, where we don't hit each other.

Thanks for the video. I'd love to see a breakdown on the guard pass, and any variations. I'm sure you've already shown them, so I just need to surf a little.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 26, 2016 11:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

bushido_man96 wrote:
I've had trouble breaking guard, because I always end up leaving the arm and letting myself get triangled.

I saw the very beginning the way you pressured back, but then did you just use you elbows to pressure the pass? I did like the method you used here, and getting to side control is better than getting to the mount. I also like the combat base, which would be a good fit for the DT aspect of teaching a guard pass.

I learned a stacking guard pass in Royce's system in which you posture up onto your feet, and pressure in on them and try to close the knees inwards, but we use punches or palm strikes to the face to break the guard, then backstroke an arm to pass into side control. Nice for DT purposes, but not for general rolling in our club, where we don't hit each other.

Thanks for the video. I'd love to see a breakdown on the guard pass, and any variations. I'm sure you've already shown them, so I just need to surf a little.


Thank you, Brian. We don't use the elbows to pressure to the inside of the quads. We work to generate leverage. The elbows to the quads works in practice because no one wants to grind it out against the nerve pain just in practice. In competition or SD, everyone will. It builds a false sense of effectiveness. What I'm looking to do is build enough leverage to break without relying on a questionable pain compliance.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 27, 2016 9:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's what I try to do, too. I just have a hard time making it work. What I your go to guard pass?
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 27, 2016 7:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bushido_man96 wrote:
That's what I try to do, too. I just have a hard time making it work. What I your go to guard pass?


Hands down the over/under pass:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UmWghC3VfAM

Despite some detractors, if you understand pressure and isolation it's tough to beat.
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