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sansoouser
Purple Belt
Joined: 21 Jun 2003
Posts: 521
Location: Hot headed, Irish Man
Styles: san soo, judo,
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 Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2003 8:28 pm Post subject: Lethal Weapon? |
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I don't think it's fair that if you fight in a dojo or are a boxer or marine or in some kind of fighting art and you kill someone one or injure them in a self defense situation you get in way more trouble because your hands are registered as a lethal weapon. My grandpa was in the marines and is registered in his hands as lethal weapons.
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JohnnyS
Green Belt
Joined: 17 Mar 2003
Posts: 444
Location: Australia
Styles: BJJ, Shootfighting, TKD, Goju
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| Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2003 8:40 pm Post subject: |
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You do not need to register your hands as a lethal weapon.
Apparently it's an urban myth. If you do indeed know of somewhere that requires you by law to register your hands as lethal weapons, please let us all know where and any accompanying information.
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sansoouser
Purple Belt
Joined: 21 Jun 2003
Posts: 521
Location: Hot headed, Irish Man
Styles: san soo, judo,
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| Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2003 10:56 pm Post subject: |
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no no you don't have to register them, if you train in fighting they become registered you don't have to do anything it's just the law.
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JohnnyS
Green Belt
Joined: 17 Mar 2003
Posts: 444
Location: Australia
Styles: BJJ, Shootfighting, TKD, Goju
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| Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2003 11:04 pm Post subject: |
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Sorry, I don't believe you. Are you saying that when you train at a martial arts school the instructor registers your hands with the police?
Tell me where this happens.
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Shotokan_Fighter
Green Belt
Joined: 16 Feb 2003
Posts: 393
Location: Huron,SD
Styles: Shotokan Karate 4 life
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| Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2003 11:22 pm Post subject: |
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iv herd of this, i think its all *, i dont belive it
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major_motoko
Orange Belt
Joined: 09 Jun 2003
Posts: 116
Location: London, United Kingdom
Styles: Wado-Ryu Karate. Kobudo, Iaido
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| Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2003 4:01 am Post subject: |
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| no no you don't have to register them, if you train in fighting they become registered you don't have to do anything it's just the law. |
I think what you mean is if you tell the police after the event that you used martial arts to defend yourself, the law is much harder on you. Or if they find out you are registered at a MA club/org or something?
There was a story about a year ago here in England about a teenage girl who was a black belt in Judo. She got picked on in the park by a gang of boys who started to push her around. She beat up the whole lot of em! 
But then she got taken to court and her black belt was used as evidence against her - even tho it was HER who got attacked!! I think the boys sued her or something 
Those kinds of stories make me really mad 
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Bart the Lover
Yellow Belt
Joined: 21 Jun 2003
Posts: 99
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| Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2003 5:04 am Post subject: |
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| There was a story about a year ago here in England about a teenage girl who was a black belt in Judo. She got picked on in the park by a gang of boys who started to push her around. She beat up the whole lot of em! |
I love stories like this. It's terrible she was attacked, but I would love to
have seen the looks on their faces!
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| But then she got taken to court and her black belt was used as evidence against her - even tho it was HER who got attacked!! I think the boys sued her or something |
I don't love stories like this. How depressing. Did they win? |
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major_motoko
Orange Belt
Joined: 09 Jun 2003
Posts: 116
Location: London, United Kingdom
Styles: Wado-Ryu Karate. Kobudo, Iaido
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| You know I really can't remember the outcome of that.. I'll look into it and see if I can find some archived news stories about the incedent. |
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iolair
Blue Belt
Joined: 11 Jan 2003
Posts: 310
Location: Asturias, Espaņa
Styles: Kickboxing, Ju Jitsu
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I remember a few stories like this. It's not (at all) that you are "registered as a lethal weapon", but the legal system treats you less leniently if you end up in court as a result of defending yourself - they argue as a "Martial Arts Expert" you should be able to deal with your attackers without causing injury!!!!!
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Warp Spider
Brown Belt
Joined: 03 Jul 2003
Posts: 615
Location: The Origin of the Universe
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| Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2003 6:50 am Post subject: |
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The definition of a deadly weapon varies in different countries, but in Canada it is essentially anything that could feasably be used to kill a person. Although almost anyone could probrably beat a person to death, the courts decide based on how easy they think it would be for you to kill a person with your hands/feet/whatever you used. If you are a black belt in nearly any martial art, it's not unreasonable for the courts to consider your hands deadly weapons. As far as most courts are concerned, it's either deadly or not - if you could kill a person with it feasably, they consider it deadly. If you couldn't feasably kill a person with it, then it isn't considered a deadly weapon.
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