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afitzwater
White Belt
Joined: 03 Mar 2004
Posts: 11
Styles: ToraSamaDo
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 Posted: Mon Apr 12, 2004 4:45 pm Post subject: Martial arts organizations |
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As far as I know, the system that I have studied for the last 9 years is not affiliated with any organizations. The system isn't exactly mainstream so I doubt anyone here has heard of it.
It is ToraSamaDo and was founded by 10th degree black belt Shihan Bill Klase and only two schools for it exist. One in Florida which he owns and the second in Arizona which I own.
Now, my question is, what does it mean if you are not affiliated with an organizations? I see that many schools have separate fees just to be part of different ones and whatnot but don't know the real purpose for them.
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John G
Green Belt
Joined: 02 Jun 2002
Posts: 426
Location: Western Australia
Styles: ITF Taekwon-Do, Wing Chun
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With respect I’m puzzled by your question, the simple fact that very few have heard of ToraSamaDo attest to the rational behind having associations and federations.
Associations and federations are a necessary evil if you wish growth within a martial art. Why necessary? Set standards and support in numbers. Why evil? Within large associations / federations corruption, nepotism and greed generally sets in to the detriment of its members.
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Rich_2k3
Red Belt
Joined: 30 Apr 2003
Posts: 778
Location: United Kingdom, Leicestershire
Styles: Trodai Karate
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Actually, my style of Karate is Trodai and we have only two clubs, one in Ashby and one in London, despite this my style is fantastic, its a fusion of styles including muay thai and Boxing, I've visted several schools i'd ive not seen any like mine, i'm not joking it really is very good.
However my style is affiliated with AMA (Amateur martial association) and my instucters are experienced in several martial martial arts.
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TangSooGuy
Blue Belt
Joined: 22 Sep 2003
Posts: 324
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Styles: Tang Soo Do
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Werll in response to the Bill Klase/ ToraSamaDo question, I found this website:
http://www.atkarate.com/shihan.php
which states that he earned his BB in Shotokan and Judo "by 1966".
My organization doesn't even have a tenth dan, but if it did, it would be 2020 at the earliest before someone who got there first Dan in 1966 would be able to test for tenth Dan.
Now, I'm not trying to flame anyone, nor am I trying to call anyone's credentials into question. I'm just pointing out why so many people here automatically raise an eyebrow when someone claims to be a tenth dan.
Every system and organization has a different set of requirements, though.
I will say that I was not able to find anything negative posted on the web about ToraSamaDo, or about Bill Klase, so I for one won't say anything negative about someone whom I've never met, nor about a style to which i've never been exposed. Again, I'm simply trying to point out why the doubt has come up. |
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Luckykboxer
Brown Belt
Joined: 05 Jun 2004
Posts: 638
Styles: Kenpo Karate, Muay Thai, Jiu Jitsu, Boxing
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I just noticed this thread was started april 12..
and Bill Klause passed away on April 17th.
My condolences.
BTW this website belongs to the original poster. |
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K.Klase
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Joined: 08 Sep 2004
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| In response to afitzwater, Bill Klase was my father and Torasamado was most certainly a recognized style and belongs to "The International Union of Martial Arts". Please feel free to respond with any questions that I might be able to answer or at least point you in the right direction for an answer. Thank you, K.Klase |
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delta1
Black Belt
Joined: 17 Feb 2003
Posts: 1780
Location: North Central Washington
Styles: It's ALL Kenpo! Bring it back to base!
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| Posted: Wed Sep 08, 2004 10:35 pm Post subject: Re: Martial arts organizations |
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| afitzwater wrote: |
| ...what does it mean if you are not affiliated with an organizations? I see that many schools have separate fees just to be part of different ones and whatnot but don't know the real purpose for them. |
Organizations provide support for the school in many ways. Business advice, setting standards and policing schools to keep those standards up, continuing training for instructors, to name a few. They also generally help with seminars and additional training for students. Some are better than others at this, and some are just in it for more money.
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delta1
Black Belt
Joined: 17 Feb 2003
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Location: North Central Washington
Styles: It's ALL Kenpo! Bring it back to base!
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| K.Klase wrote: |
| ...Torasamado was most certainly a recognized style and belongs to "The International Union of Martial Arts". Please feel free to respond with any questions that I might be able to answer or at least point you in the right direction for an answer. Thank you, K.Klase |
Was the information correct that Torrasamado is Shotokan and Judo? Any other influences?
What is its' focus- self improvement, self defense, or other?
You said "was most certainly a recognized style ." Does this mean the system is closing with the passing of the founder? (Hopefully not, as it would be a shame to see someones hard work come to nothing.)
Are there any changes in the works for the style?
I too am sad to hear about the passing of your father. There are so many of the older martial artists, those who were here before it was popular, who have recently passed on. It's like watching an era end. But, as each one ends, a new one begins, and that is an exciting thing to watch!
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Shane
Purple Belt
Joined: 21 Sep 2004
Posts: 576
Location: WA
Styles: Combative Arts
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Well my instructor never belonged to any organization, but his father who was his head instructor did oversee all of the belt promotions. And now I have my own school and I dont belong to any organization, but I plan on having my Instructor oversee higher rank promotions. So I can see how having an organization can be helpful in ways but in someways the politics I think would just be to much for me. I train with a very open mind, and so does my instructor and we are always adding to, but not taking away.
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Ottman
Green Belt
Joined: 08 Nov 2004
Posts: 352
Location: Boston
Styles: Tae Kwon Do, Jeet Kune Do (Concepts), Brazilian Ju Jitsu, Muay Thai, Capoeira, Samurai combative arts (Nami Ryu Aiki Heiho)
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| TangSooGuy wrote: |
Now, I'm not trying to flame anyone, nor am I trying to call anyone's credentials into question. I'm just pointing out why so many people here automatically raise an eyebrow when someone claims to be a tenth dan.
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Many times, the founder of a certain style is automatically raised to tenth degree status. (or they raise themselves to that degree.) After-all, Klase did found his own style. Have you done that? I certainly haven't, and this is one of the many reasons I am not even close to a tenth degree bb.
If you're trying to test up to 10th degree in a style you didn't found, I'm sure the founder would require a lifetime of training to attain such a rank as it must have taken him/her a lifetime to develop it up to a recognised status that you would want to learn.
If you can create a style of martial art that is distinct enough to be recognised by other martial artists as its own style, then I think you deserve a tenth degree bb.
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