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shukokai2000
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 Posted: Sat Dec 02, 2006 2:14 pm Post subject: Martial Arts V Self Defence |
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Yes there is a difference,
what are you thoughts ? |
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Patrick
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shukokai2000
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| Posted: Sat Dec 02, 2006 3:34 pm Post subject: |
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Sorry.
thoughts on street attacks etc, sport use / realaity use etc |
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bushido_man96
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| Posted: Sat Dec 02, 2006 5:56 pm Post subject: |
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It depends on the sport, really. MMA echos self-defense quite well. However, there has been discrepancies discussed between training for self-defense, and training for sport, and the advantages of each.
I always like to go back to the Judo vs. Juijitsu example, and how the sport training of judo better prepared the practitioners for full speed encounters.
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Jiffy
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Perhaps some further information. Maybe start off with what your thoughts on the subject.
Yes I too believe there is a difference, but it depends what context you are talking about.
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bushido_man96
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Enter the Spaz
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Location: Grand Rapids, Mich. USA
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| Posted: Wed Dec 06, 2006 3:47 pm Post subject: |
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I think there's a difference.
Martial arts teaches you fighting techniques. Common-sense and awareness teaches you self-defense.
Don't visit the ATM alone at midnight and if a situation doesn't feel right, then it probably isn't... leave the area.
I've been to many MA schools who dub themselves as teaching "Self Defense," none of them ever mention these things. |
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Jiffy
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I completely agree. I have too been to many martial arts schools that do not include these things.
To say that they are not teaching self defence though I don't think is quite true. Sure these things are a part of self defence, but so are techniques and martial principles. So all martial arts schools teach at least PART of self defence.
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CrazyAZNRocker
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| Any fighter that trains martial arts long enough, start developing this mental and emotional switch that goes off when in a threat. This switch is developed through developing the five main sences. That is why I always felt that meditation is a must for serious martial artists. Regardless of style of fighting, be it boxing, karate, jiu jistu, I think all martial arts can develop this switch that makes a normal person into a dangerous individual when backed into a corner. |
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elbows_and_knees
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| CrazyAZNRocker wrote: |
| Any fighter that trains martial arts long enough, start developing this mental and emotional switch that goes off when in a threat. This switch is developed through developing the five main sences. That is why I always felt that meditation is a must for serious martial artists. Regardless of style of fighting, be it boxing, karate, jiu jistu, I think all martial arts can develop this switch that makes a normal person into a dangerous individual when backed into a corner. |
that's not true at all. I've taught seminars to MA and mentioned things like looking under your car as you approach it, and walking a few feet away from walls so you can see around the corners, and some of them were amazed, because these things had never occurred to them. Like anything else, awareness needs to be taught, not assumed. I never learned these things from MA, and I don't meditate. Even when I did, these things didn't occur to me. meditation makes you more self aware, not necessarily more situationally aware. I learned these things through either first or second hand experience. I've had a guy jump out at me from around a corner. I had a friend who was robbed by someone hiding under her car. Another friend was robbed by someone INSIDE his car, etc. |
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on the post.
Thanks.
