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Spartacus Maximus
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Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2017 5:47 pm Post subject: Minimum floor area |
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What would be the minimum training floor area for about a dozen people? how much space is required so that everyone can move comfortably without risking bumping into one another? |
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The Pred
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Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2017 7:45 pm Post subject: Re: Minimum floor area |
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Spartacus Maximus wrote: |
What would be the minimum training floor area for about a dozen people? how much space is required so that everyone can move comfortably without risking bumping into one another? |
Are they kids or adults? Also will throwing be going on? |
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Spartacus Maximus
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Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2017 9:38 pm Post subject: |
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Let's assume it is for adults or at least no one smaller than the average 16 year old of both sexes. Keeping in mind that different types of martial arts might have different floor space needs, what is the minimum for yours? |
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Nidan Melbourne
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Joined: 21 Aug 2013
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Location: Melbourne, Australia
Styles: Goju-Ryu, BJJ, Balintawak Arnis
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Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2017 12:12 am Post subject: |
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I would say around 4 mats per person, but realistically it may be less because of the available space that you either own or are renting.
Currently my dojo we have a distinct lack of space, but we are currently unable to move locations because there is no where in the area that would be able to have that would cope with numbers or be able to be able to regularly be host 4 days per week.
My sensei for the last 9 years has been trying to find a space in the surrounding suburbs to have as a permanent home that he can own or rent at a better rate for more space. |
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Spartacus Maximus
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Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2017 12:47 am Post subject: |
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How much space is one "mat"? Approximately how many square feet or meters? A commonly used puzzle style mat sold by sports/gym suppliers comes in 1sq meter. |
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JR 137
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Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2017 9:29 am Post subject: |
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If kata is a big part of your training, do your most space consuming kata, figure out the square footage required, and multiply by the number of students. Bo kata probably require more space.
Our dojo is quite small. Senior students performing kata such as Koryu Gojushiho and Kanku start with their back almost against a wall, and usually have to shuffle backward so they don't hit the opposing wall. They have no problems when they start where the adjacent wall would be, but then we're limited to two or three people at a time. There's a bo kata that brings about the same situation. Those kata are very long in the embussen. We have enough room for every other kata. We've adjusted pretty well with the space we've got.
Also factor in space on the floor and wall(s) for things like bags, weapons (if they're stored on the wall), mats (if you have a stack of them in a corner, etc.
If I were looking at a place, I'd do the most space consuming kata during a walk-through to get an idea. The realtor/landlord may look at you funny while doing it, but oh well. If a kata can fit comfortably, so can anything else IMO.
Better yet, bring a bo and run through a bo kata (if you teach bo). The dojo ceiling gets shorter and the space gets narrower somehow when bo kata is being done |
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sensei8
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Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2017 2:34 pm Post subject: |
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1,000 square feet should be more than adequate 12 student.
For example...4 Tatami mats for 2 students, and a usual Tatami mat is 6'X3'//3'X6'...that's 18 square feet X 4 Tatami mats = 72 square feet X 6 pairs of 2 students = 436 total square feet. That leaves room for a very small office, lobby, viewing area, and retail display, if one's lucky, and knows how to manage small spaces.
Imho!!
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Spartacus Maximus
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Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2017 5:29 pm Post subject: |
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Let's say that only the training floor is needed and that the dojo does not need an office space, a lobby or display area. 1000sq feet sounds a bit too large. |
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sensei8
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Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2017 1:52 pm Post subject: |
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Spartacus Maximus wrote: |
Let's say that only the training floor is needed and that the dojo does not need an office space, a lobby or display area. 1000sq feet sounds a bit too large. |
Yes, 1,000 square feet is a bit large for 12 students!! I suppose 500 square feet would be adequate enough for 12 students, and to be sure, my Tatami calculations would serve that.
Smallest I've ever worked in commercially was 1,000 square feet, and that seemed quite cramped, to me.
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singularity6
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Location: Michigan
Styles: Jidokwan Taekwondo and Hapkido, Yoshokai Aikido, ZNIR Iaido, Kendo
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Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2017 2:18 pm Post subject: |
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I've been wondering this, too. My wife and me will probably be moving into a house (from an apartment) within the next couple years. I would LOVE to have enough space to do some forms (on my own, or as a bonus, with my wife!) I was thinking 15x15 would be plenty for me to do my forms comfortably, and have some equipment along the sides.
This idea of 4 tatami is quite interesting neat, but our stances are pretty deep, and I suspect I might run out of room when doing my forms on such a space. _________________ 5th Geup Jidokwan Tae Kwon Do/Hap Ki Do
(Never officially tested in aikido, iaido or kendo) |
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