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Kato
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 06, 2001 9:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

In Goju-Ryu karate (at least in my school) we are taught that Kinsetsu Geri is one of the most effective kicks in a self defence situation. For those of you are that are not familiar with this it is like a low side kick that goes through the side of the knee on a downward diagnal, the idea being to dislocate the knee joint. After all its hard for them to hurt you if they can't stand up

This Message was edited by: Kato on Jul 6, 2001 11:48am
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 06, 2001 2:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

yea.. but a straight kick to the knee is way too easily avoided by just moving the leg. Oh well, maybe the average thug doesn't know that.


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 06, 2001 10:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah kato, i've learned kinsetsu geri and i still find the Muay Thai roundhouse to be more effective. As ken said it can be relatively easily avoided.

The instep to the groin is also a good kick!
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 07, 2001 8:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

In my style, kinsetsu geri is called gedan sokto. I still prefer sokto(sword edge side kick) to anything. It has a lot of power and is hardly blocked on the street because amateurs always block their head, like it is the only thing that will hurt when hit.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 07, 2001 9:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I find nowadays that anything below my guard will be blocked with my leg (like the thai guys)... If they decide they wanna take me down then i'l give them a good old wrestle on the ground. It's just as easy to punch and kick when you're on teh ground as it is standing up.

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 02, 2001 1:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

leg sweep and then a stomp to the groin. They won't be picking any more street fights.

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 02, 2001 2:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

a jumping spinning back kick to the head it's hard to do but pretty effetive

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 02, 2001 6:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 02, 2001 8:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Side kicks, they always work.

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2001 1:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I really have to agree with the kicks to the knees and areas below the belt of this one. We start working with the knife edge kick to the side of the knee fairly early but not being legal to use in sparring I don't know anyone who has actually used it.

Someone mentioned that it would be easy to see coming. hmmm. We were taught that all basic kicks start the same way with a simple raise of the knee. And not to look at the guys knee we want to break to look up more at his eyes.

Another useful variant is an across the body kick to the knee. Yes it does sound awkward and is awkward to practice kicking in the air. But try it against your bag. looking more to the head or chest level raise that knee and come down across the other leg and stomp with the heel or the knife edge. Trying it on the bag sure opened my eyes.

I also really like the idea of short round house kicks to the lower leg or side of the knee. Hey, I am a big fan of the roundhouse kick.

Ultimately I think at different stages in our training we should have different kicks in our collection of techniques that we would rely on. Sure basic kicks will allways rule. It is the way we do them and our skill level that changes.
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