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KickChick
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 28, 2002 6:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nobody is questioning the physical aspect of martial arts...Sai just asked whether (a) you consider your particular style an art more so than a physical activity/conditioning ... or (b) equal parts or (c) more physical than artistic or even (d) just plain physical , leave art out of it.
Am I reading the question correctly

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 28, 2002 10:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes Kickchick. Any degree from 100% art and no physicality to 0%art and 100%physicality.

Personally I think my own workouts vary with the intention I have when I start training that day. Some times I train kata full out as a physical activity. Some days I train kata as more of an art to perform it to the best of my ability and to think about the intent of the motions.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2002 9:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

At the moment I think that I probably practice karate 95% as physical activity and 5% as an art. However I do a lot of reading and at the moment I enjoy studying the history and techniques of the art as theory, perhaps for me that is the 'art' at the moment. As I gain experience I hope that one day I'll be able to say I practice karate more as an art than just a physical activity.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2002 12:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I suppose that the intended definition for 'art' in the martial arts world is different from mine. To me, art is anything which involves your creative mind, anything which allows you to express your creative mind in an outward way, whether it be throwing a punch, putting poetry on paper, performing a spinning kick, or singing your heart out. As for the physical activity part, I would feel that all (or at least almost all, if I am missing something) of the so-called martial-arts related activities are considered physical in nature, although the extent is different for each one. As for whether or not what you practice is 'art', this may be an unconventional opinion but I feel that it is art as long as the movements in which you create are a result of the many emotions and creative desires within you. I realize, however, that the intended traditional definition for 'art' in the martial arts sense refers to the 'art and science' of defending oneself or engaging in combat.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2002 12:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I suppose that the intended definition for 'art' in the martial arts world is different from mine. To me, art is anything which involves your creative mind, anything which allows you to express your creative mind in an outward way, whether it be throwing a punch, putting poetry on paper, performing a spinning kick, or singing your heart out. As for the physical activity part, I would feel that all (or at least almost all, if I am missing something) of the so-called martial-arts related activities are considered physical in nature, although the extent is different for each one. As for whether or not what you practice is 'art', this may be an unconventional opinion but I feel that it is art as long as the movements in which you create are a result of the many emotions and creative desires within you. I realize, however, that the intended traditional definition for 'art' in the martial arts sense refers to the 'art and science' of defending oneself or engaging in combat.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2002 3:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The physical aspect of martial arts is obvious. However that is only one manisfestation of martial arts.
Some people devote their lives to the martial arts. People can live it and breathe it. Would anyone say that they are merely going through the physical motions? A student who rocks up to training once a week, doesn't really care about their training, uses it as a social club or whatever, can still go through all the same motions as a truly dedicated martial artist.
But who out of the above considers what they do an "art" and who is doing a physical activity?
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 30, 2002 9:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There are many physical motions that are poetry in motion. Sometimes a roundhouse kick can be a beautiful thing. Particularly to someone who has struggled to do one. A well exectuted kata is a beautiful thing. When done in a manner that fits the person doing it, it becomes an art.

Everyone learns a form in a cookie cutter manner. Stamped out to look like the same way everyone else does. When an individual takes that kata and works with it molding it into their own the form changes. The moves are still the same however they can be done with the dynamics of the individual highlighted.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 30, 2002 4:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

well i think that it is both but it would problably be about even or qutie abit more art then physical activity

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