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Montana
Pre-Black Belt
Joined: 18 Apr 2007
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Location: Formerly Kalispell, Montana, now Spokane, WA
Styles: Shorin Ryu Matsumura Kenpo & Kobudo
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 Posted: Thu Apr 16, 2015 8:08 pm Post subject: Opinions please |
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This is a video of a 9 year old (or younger) black belt girl doing a double nunchauku kata...what do you think?
I'll make my comments in a few days after everybody else gets a chance to post.
*****NEVER MIND...I can't find the video now..please erase this thread...sorry
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cathal
Black Belt
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Location: Atlantic Canada
Styles: Shotokan (Ryukyu Kobujutsu, Iaido)
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| Posted: Thu Apr 16, 2015 8:26 pm Post subject: |
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Sorry Montana, there's no link in that post. Try editing it with the URL 
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chiliphil1
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| Posted: Fri Apr 17, 2015 8:25 am Post subject: |
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I haven't seen the video but I will go ahead and say this. When you have kids that young they do not understand MA, they are simply looking at it like a sport, they treat it like baseball or gymnastics. I think instructors promote kids to this level for publicity and nothing more. No child should have a BB, the mental capacity that you should have with that rank is not even possible at a young age. Further I feel the same way about the videos posted as "best karate ever!" and it's a lady who kicks over her head 400 times in 2 minutes. Is she a great athlete? sure, very fit? absolutely, but is this MA? No, it is not, this is rhythmic gymnastics the only difference is that she is wearing a belt. My words are harsh but I am pretty passionate about this topic because I feel that MA is a life style, not a sport, some don't see it that way (and that's fine) but I do.
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Montana
Pre-Black Belt
Joined: 18 Apr 2007
Posts: 883
Location: Formerly Kalispell, Montana, now Spokane, WA
Styles: Shorin Ryu Matsumura Kenpo & Kobudo
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| Posted: Fri Apr 17, 2015 10:28 am Post subject: |
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| chiliphil1 wrote: |
| I haven't seen the video but I will go ahead and say this. When you have kids that young they do not understand MA, they are simply looking at it like a sport, they treat it like baseball or gymnastics. I think instructors promote kids to this level for publicity and nothing more. No child should have a BB, the mental capacity that you should have with that rank is not even possible at a young age. Further I feel the same way about the videos posted as "best karate ever!" and it's a lady who kicks over her head 400 times in 2 minutes. Is she a great athlete? sure, very fit? absolutely, but is this MA? No, it is not, this is rhythmic gymnastics the only difference is that she is wearing a belt. My words are harsh but I am pretty passionate about this topic because I feel that MA is a life style, not a sport, some don't see it that way (and that's fine) but I do. |
EXACTLY! That video was of a young girl wearing a black gi basically twirling 2 nunchaku around (flash, no substance) and doing backflips and cartwheels. She won the all around tournament grand champion weapons kata. Sorry, but I call poo-poo on that sort of stuff.
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Spartacus Maximus
Black Belt
Joined: 01 Jun 2014
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Styles: Shorin ryu
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| Posted: Wed Apr 22, 2015 11:29 pm Post subject: |
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| With the way children are desensitized towards violence in general, it is foolishly irresponsible to allow a child to handle a weapon. The child in the video may show a high level of dexterity, but it is highly doubtful that her understanding is any deeper than mere performance to impress an audience with pretty choreography and acrobatic dance. |
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hansenator
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| Posted: Thu Apr 23, 2015 8:40 am Post subject: |
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| Spartacus Maximus wrote: |
| With the way children are desensitized towards violence in general, it is foolishly irresponsible to allow a child to handle a weapon. The child in the video may show a high level of dexterity, but it is highly doubtful that her understanding is any deeper than mere performance to impress an audience with pretty choreography and acrobatic dance. |
That's the nature of the sport she's competing in. Like it or not, it isn't about self-defense or deep understanding. Kata competitions of that nature are a performance, similar to gymnastics, where you display precision and athletic achievement. I didn't see the video but it sounds like she does it very well. Instead of criticizing, we should applaud her for what she has achieved. |
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Titanium
Blue Belt
Joined: 08 Aug 2015
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Location: Chesterfield, UK
Styles: Wado-Kai & Shotokan
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| Posted: Fri Aug 14, 2015 5:35 am Post subject: |
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There's a similar thing on Facebook at present with a young boy.
Playing with weapons and watching MA films does not contribute as training or skill - mere copying.
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Bulltahr
Brown Belt
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Location: NEW ZEALAND
Styles: Shotokan, Seido Juku
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sensei8
KF Sensei
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Location: Las Vegas, NV
Styles: Shindokan Saitou-ryu [Shuri-te/Okinawa-te based]
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| Posted: Fri Aug 14, 2015 5:16 pm Post subject: |
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Looks nice, and all, but is what they're doing effective. Stick a Bo in the middle of all of that fancy smancy stuff, then the Nunchaku is void.
Still, in the competitions that these are usually viewed in, their context is right there, and quite impressive; not all can do all of that tricking stuff and then some. I respect them. It takes some guile to not constantly drop anything doing all of the tricking.
Copying? Might be? I was watching the mechanics and saw nothing effective except what can happen when the body meets inertia: PAIN/DISCOMFORT/OUCH!!
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liger
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Styles: RyobuKai (Shindo Jinen Ryu)
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| Posted: Fri Aug 14, 2015 7:45 pm Post subject: |
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I will say it looks cool.
As others have said these doesn't seem to be very effective.
This is were I have to ask the question what is your personal MA Journey and beliefs. Do you like trick/extreme sports MA's this is for you. If you want traditional MA then go else where. I believe everyone one has there own journey and different things they want to get out of it. |
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on the post.
