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YODA
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Joined: 25 Jan 2002
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Hi all
I'm having a problem with the difference between these two forward throws...
Harai Goshi (Sweeping hip)
Yama Arashi (Mountain Storm)
The only difference my feeble brain can see is the grip - Harai grips on both sides (right at his left high lapel for right leg throw) Yama grips both at the right sleeve - left at the elbow, right at the high lapel)
Can anyone help? Is there a difference in the kuzushi that I'm not seeing?
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Bon
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Location: Australia
Styles: BJJ, Kickboxing
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brighthand
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Location: Arizona
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| Posted: Sun Feb 10, 2002 6:53 pm Post subject: |
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Now that you brought it up, good question  After a bit of research it appears that they are the same throw, the only thing that seperates them is the grip and their category. One being a hip throw, other being a leg throw. |
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YODA
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| Posted: Sun Feb 10, 2002 10:05 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks Brighthand - I suspected it was just the grip. The grip does give the Yama Arashi more of a leg throw type angle.
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Jack
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YODA
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| Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2002 4:53 am Post subject: |
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Nice link Jack - I'm very familiar with the website - no help on my question there - no mention of Yama Arashi on that page!
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Jack
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| Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2002 6:06 am Post subject: |
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Sorry YODA, I ment to post that reply to a different question you asked, about combinations of throws. Apoligies  |
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Joecooke007
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| Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2002 9:18 am Post subject: |
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Quite the only thing that seperates the two is the grip.
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YODA
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I'm still pretty much cinvinced that there must also bee some difference in the Kuzushi - I don't see how I can break balance to the front & upwards like in Harai Goshi when in the Yama Harashi grip. Feels very much like I'm setting up a winding throw - in fact, I've pulled off Yama Arashi from a failed Soto-Makikomi a few times.
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Dutch
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Location: Australia
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| Posted: Mon Apr 08, 2002 11:11 pm Post subject: |
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I generally describe Mountain Storm as a high sweeping action with the leg - often at mid-shin to hip-level. Additionally there is little contact between the two players hips during the action.
Hari goshi describes a lower sweeping action with the leg, generally striking on the shin. Because the shin is being struck and lifted, it requires greater contact with the hips.
Hope that helps some!
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