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Alan Armstrong
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sensei8
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| Is proprioception training a part of your martial art system or routine? |
Nope, not directly/intentionally, because it's just not.
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Alan Armstrong
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If I could start my martial art journey all over again, it would start and finish with proprioception.
As in time, when have spent many decades developing and refining it, would call this PKD
"The Way Of The Proprioceptive Fist"
OK a tad OTT over the top but proprioception has been around for a very long time, it is just that the word is recent terminology.
Proprioceptors in the body help us to stay balanced to prevent falling down and getting injured.
Something that can be enhanced upon in combat sports and martial arts.
Especially when the eyes are closed and other senses take over relaying information to the brain.
In close combat situations, feeling the opponent's intent from touch is possible, giving an extra ordinary sense of being able to perform a technique without looking.
Having a spacial awareness of one's self is an advantage over others, doubly so when Proprioceptive information can be be gained when physically in contact with an opponent.
Having an understanding of proprioception, can be used also in denying tactile information being used against oneself by an opponent.
Touch and speed drills with a partner, helps to improve Proprioceptive responses, such as when to pull, push, brace, yield, shield, pass, block, deflect or attack, or counter attack. |
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Nidan Melbourne
KF Sempai
Joined: 21 Aug 2013
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Location: Melbourne, Australia
Styles: Goju-Ryu, BJJ, Balintawak Arnis
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A lot of schools often don't directly focus on Propioception, but the ones that do have instructors that understand what it is and how to train it often will focus on it.
As an Exercise Scientist, I work quite heavily on this topic with all my clients regardless of age. But I do the same thing with my students at Karate. |
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Alan Armstrong
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A lot of schools often don't directly focus on Propioception, but the ones that do have instructors that understand what it is and how to train it often will focus on it.
As an Exercise Scientist, I work quite heavily on this topic with all my clients regardless of age. But I do the same thing with my students at Karate. |
Happy to hear that proprioception is a part of your interests.
Perhaps you have some useful insights that you would like to share on this subject.
I for one would like to hear about your experiences in using proprioception with karate and clients. |
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Nidan Melbourne
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Location: Melbourne, Australia
Styles: Goju-Ryu, BJJ, Balintawak Arnis
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| Nidan Melbourne wrote: |
A lot of schools often don't directly focus on Propioception, but the ones that do have instructors that understand what it is and how to train it often will focus on it.
As an Exercise Scientist, I work quite heavily on this topic with all my clients regardless of age. But I do the same thing with my students at Karate. |
Happy to hear that proprioception is a part of your interests.
Perhaps you have some useful insights that you would like to share on this subject.
I for one would like to hear about your experiences in using proprioception with karate and clients. |
Everything I do for clients has to do with proprioception, as you have to be aware of how you are moving and what the most efficient line of movement is, whilst being safe.
The same goes for not only Karate but any martial art, as how you move and stand has an impact on your balance and stability. |
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Wastelander
KF Sensei
Joined: 18 Oct 2010
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Location: Phoenix, AZ
Styles: Shorin-Ryu, Shuri-Ryu, Judo, KishimotoDi
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I think that all martial arts training tends to be rather proprioceptive, in nature, because it is all about controlling the body. That said, at least in karate, proprioception can also be used to more quickly identify what the opponent is doing, through contact with them. That's where exercises like kakie come into play, and sparring methods like kakedameshi and randori.
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Alan Armstrong
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Proprioception is great when in contact with the opponent (gaining important intel) and is heavily utilised in Wing Chun, however wondrous it is, there is also a need for many to rely on it too much; which can be dangerous for the user.
Balancing out this aspect of needing touch alone, with striking around those wanting that contact information aspect, can actually blind them, in this regard, by denying them proprioception information.
Combining touch and not touch (leaking through defenses) is the key, as this enables using both sides of this subject more effectively. |
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