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Pancor357
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Joined: 13 Jul 2018
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 13, 2018 1:25 pm    Post subject: Questionable belt testing Reply with quote

I started taking classes at my dojo about 2 years ago. It's not uncommon (all but 2 for me) for us to have to teach ourselves testing techniques. There is generally one or 2 black belts around but they are generally working on their own stuff. We have a book to work out of, we don't really get more instruction than that. Now that I'm a red belt the techniques are seeming dangerous to do with out being taught first. For example I'm required to demonstrate a shihonage on my partner (another red belt) and have not been taught it. Advice?
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Bulltahr
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Joined: 08 Mar 2015
Posts: 603
Location: NEW ZEALAND
Styles: Shotokan, Seido Juku

PostPosted: Fri Jul 13, 2018 4:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would be questioning what you are actually paying your subs for. Doesn't sound like much of a "school" to me. Is there a CI? Speak with him, but from what you have said I would be looking for another school.
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Pancor357
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 15, 2018 10:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think I'm going to switch. But I don't like the feeling of disloyalty about it.
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mushybees
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Joined: 16 Nov 2014
Posts: 196
Location: UK
Styles: Wado ryu

PostPosted: Sun Jul 15, 2018 12:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you're teaching yourself from a book, who do you owe loyalty to and why?
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sensei8
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Joined: 23 Feb 2008
Posts: 14301
Location: Houston, TX
Styles: Shindokan Saitou-ryu [Shuri-te/Okinawa-te based]

PostPosted: Sun Jul 15, 2018 1:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pancor357 wrote:
I think I'm going to switch. But I don't like the feeling of disloyalty about it.

Welcome to KF, Pancor357; glad that you're here!!

From what your OP speaks about, it's the dojo that's being disloyal to its Student Body. So, I'd speak to the CI!! If that doesn't pan out, then I'd start looking elsewhere.

Good luck, and please let us know how things are going.



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OneKickWonder
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Joined: 17 Feb 2018
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Styles: Tang soo do

PostPosted: Sun Jul 15, 2018 3:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pancor357 wrote:
I think I'm going to switch. But I don't like the feeling of disloyalty about it.


Be loyal to yourself first.

If you are learning from a book, you can remain loyal if you wish. Just take the book with you and read it at home, in between classes at another school.
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tallgeese
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Joined: 04 May 2008
Posts: 6851
Location: McHenry County, IL
Styles: Brazilian Jiu Jitsu, Bujin Bugei Jutsu, Gokei Ryu Kempo Jutsu, MMA, Shootfighting, boxing, kickboxing, JKD, Pekiti Tersia Kali

PostPosted: Mon Jul 16, 2018 2:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, I'm going to echo what everyone else has said...think hard about moving on. That's not instruction.
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IcemanSK
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Joined: 12 Oct 2005
Posts: 1084
Location: Los Angeles, CA
Styles: Taekwondo Chung Do Kwan

PostPosted: Wed Oct 03, 2018 8:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

sensei8 wrote:
Pancor357 wrote:
I think I'm going to switch. But I don't like the feeling of disloyalty about it.

Welcome to KF, Pancor357; glad that you're here!!

From what your OP speaks about, it's the dojo that's being disloyal to its Student Body. So, I'd speak to the CI!! If that doesn't pan out, then I'd start looking elsewhere.

Good luck, and please let us know how things are going.




First, Welcome Pancor357.

I concur with sensei8, completely. If you're teaching yourself, the dojo is being disloyal to you. Put another way, if you're teaching yourself (and not being taught by chief instructor) who is there to be disloyal to?
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singularity6
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Joined: 26 Jun 2017
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Location: Michigan
Styles: Jidokwan Taekwondo and Hapkido, Yoshokai Aikido, ZNIR Iaido, Kendo

PostPosted: Thu Oct 04, 2018 5:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Welcome aboard!

And yeah, I agree with the rest... From what you're saying, the school isn't doing much of anything for you except providing some space and taking your money.
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MatsuShinshii
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Joined: 15 Aug 2016
Posts: 1423
Location: Kentucky
Styles: Machimura Suidi Rokudan, Ryukyu Kenpo, Kobudo, Judo

PostPosted: Thu Oct 04, 2018 11:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What is the difference between buying a book and studying at home and what youíve told us about youíre present situation?

Students join a school to be taught and to receive direction from someone with the skills and knowledge that you do not possess. If your paying to learn from a book go buy one and keep your money.

The whole point is the interaction between teacher and student. Expecting students to teach themselves is ludicrous.

My advice... drop that school and the ďinstructorsĒ, if you can call them that, like a bad habit and find a real teacher.

Iím obviously doing something wrong and have wasted decades of training and teaching students. If I knew they taught themselves and I didnít have to teach I could have taken up a new hobby and gone on more vacations. Thatís not a martial arts school, itís a scam. Donít walk away, run!
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