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Wastelander
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 Posted: Thu Feb 06, 2014 2:10 pm Post subject: "Random Attacks" Competition |
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When discussing practical applications and training, I don't typically discuss karate competition, because the standard competitive formats for karate simply don't fit our idea of what karate is. That's why I was quite intrigued when this video came up in my Facebook feed today:
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10200571820351079
When I watched it, I was skeptical of the "random attacks" claim, since the competitors seemed to be teammates, so I checked out the website. Apparently, there are 40 "approved" attacks that this organization uses, and the referee picks one at random for the attacker to execute, which the defender then needs to deal with (without knowing what attack was chosen). Reaction time and technique effectiveness seem to be the key criteria for judging. I, personally, think this seems like a fun/interesting competitive format. Even more importantly, though, it will promote the practice of effective, practical karate, because if people want to win (and, let's face it, people like winning) they will have to explore and drill practical self defense techniques. It certainly has its flaws, as all things do, but from the looks of it, I think it's much better than the competitive formats we currently have in karate. What do you all think?
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bushido_man96
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| Posted: Thu Feb 06, 2014 4:47 pm Post subject: |
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I think it could be a fun style of competition. But, as for the format, it looks like a one-step set-up, because the attacker only attacks once. From there, its a one-step by the defender.
It does look like it poses some interesting attack options, though, including weapons and ground defense, which is great, I think.
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sensei8
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| Posted: Thu Feb 06, 2014 8:21 pm Post subject: |
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No one's resisting. Just standing still. Hhhmmmm...
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Wastelander
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| Posted: Thu Feb 06, 2014 8:51 pm Post subject: |
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As I said, it certainly has its flaws! It would be nice for it to be more realistic, with attackers that resist and don't stop after one attack, but I don't know how you would do that in a competitive format without having designated 3rd party attackers. I suppose that would be a viable option! Still, I think the rules could be worded in such a way that it promotes more realistic techniques over flashy ones. While I'm not personally a big fan of karate competition, I do think that this at least gives people who are something that they can work on that is closer to what karate actually is.
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sensei8
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Well, they could show them two-fold. Show as they are, but then, show same with resisting. It's a fine line; to do or not to do.
Being compliant is a means towards safety. Resisting is a means towards possible injury. Which one to do, and how to do it SAFELY is key, imho.
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andym
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| Posted: Fri Feb 07, 2014 4:58 pm Post subject: |
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Interesting concept.
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DWx
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| Posted: Sat Feb 08, 2014 10:09 am Post subject: |
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Have you got a link to the rules Wastelander? Looks kinda how we run our one-steps.
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| Being compliant is a means towards safety. Resisting is a means towards possible injury. Which one to do, and how to do it SAFELY is key, imho. |
SPot on IMHO. It's like any kind of sparring or partner practice we do in training; there's a thin line between realistic and safe.
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Wastelander
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| Posted: Sat Feb 08, 2014 3:10 pm Post subject: |
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This is the website for the organization that runs the competition: http://ec-random-attacks.com/
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sensei8
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| Posted: Sun Feb 09, 2014 6:23 am Post subject: |
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Cool. I still think it would be really cool if they allowed overall resistance from both under the supervision of the referee so that the competition didn't turn into a ordinary free-style sparring tournament. I do understand the intent of it all because if my defense/counter-attack is faster than my opponents reaction time, then I don't need to be concerned with my opponents resisting anything. I'm all about pushing that envelope and asking..."What if?"
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| Posted: Sun Feb 09, 2014 10:38 am Post subject: |
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Looks like the next European event in this will be in Loughborough, not too far from where I am.
If I understand it correctly you do it with a training partner? That would be my one criticism in that you can then practice with that person all 40 or so attacks and come up with a move for each rather than it being a completely random fight. Having trained with them you'll be able to pick up on what your partner is going to do really quickly compared to if you were with a unknown opponent. Your training partner can also put up varying levels of resistance or go with the technique to help you out.
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on the post.
