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DWx
Black Belt
Joined: 17 Jan 2007
Posts: 6455
Location: UK
Styles: Tae Kwon Do & Yang family Tai Chi
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| I'm a traditional Karateka and I don't understand this question. Why would you train in MA if it is separate from any use in self defense? If the style is no good for self defense application, then in my view it is not a Martial Art at all. |
You could argue that a lot of what we regard as Martial Arts contain superfluous material that isn't immediately practical or the quickest route to learning viable self defense. Karate, Taekwon-Do, Kung Fu and the like are a long term investment whereas if you trained in a self defense class specifically you might get your return (good self defense base) sooner.
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wagnerk
Purple Belt
Joined: 02 Oct 2006
Posts: 576
Location: UK
Styles: TSD, Karate & Kickboxing
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| DWx wrote: |
| Harkon72 wrote: |
| I'm a traditional Karateka and I don't understand this question. Why would you train in MA if it is separate from any use in self defense? If the style is no good for self defense application, then in my view it is not a Martial Art at all. |
You could argue that a lot of what we regard as Martial Arts contain superfluous material that isn't immediately practical or the quickest route to learning viable self defense. Karate, Taekwon-Do, Kung Fu and the like are a long term investment whereas if you trained in a self defense class specifically you might get your return (good self defense base) sooner. |
You also have the discussion of "martial art" vs "martial sport"... Self-defence vs competitions, etc...
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Harkon72
Black Belt
Joined: 27 Aug 2012
Posts: 1875
Location: Wales
Styles: Okinawan Karate, Aikido, Ninpo.
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My stance is clear on this, if it's not practical; if it has no basis in a martial sense then it's not a martial art. Most martial arts based exercises and sports have some practical applications. Even no touch kick sparring can teach us something. But on the other hand if you define Martial Arts as practical application of technique for effective defense, then I'm sorry many so called Martial Arts would fall by the wayside.
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Safroot
Pre-Black Belt
Joined: 22 Dec 2013
Posts: 911
Location: Sydney, Australia
Styles: Kyokushin
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| Posted: Sat Jan 18, 2014 10:32 pm Post subject: |
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| I'm a traditional Karateka and I don't understand this question. Why would you train in MA if it is separate from any use in self defense? If the style is no good for self defense application, then in my view it is not a Martial Art at all. |
Yes, I think you are right |
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royaluser0022
White Belt
Joined: 08 Apr 2014
Posts: 3
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| krav maga self defense classes is the most effective way to lean street and situational self defense. techniques are simplified and taken from all martial arts forms in the world. its very easy to learn and train at your nearest centers like karatejaipur.in |
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Safroot
Pre-Black Belt
Joined: 22 Dec 2013
Posts: 911
Location: Sydney, Australia
Styles: Kyokushin
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| krav maga self defense classes is the most effective way to lean street and situational self defense. techniques are simplified and taken from all martial arts forms in the world. its very easy to learn and train at your nearest centers like karatejaipur.in |
Yes Krav Maga is in my future plan but now I am concentrating on Kyokushin 
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Zimlock
White Belt
Joined: 26 Apr 2014
Posts: 13
Location: United Kingdom
Styles: Shotokan Karate, Aikikai Aikido
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| Currently I am looking for something close to my place so I have Kyokushin karate, White crane Kung Fu, self defence courses and something called " Ryu Bujitsu Kai Karate " (the website it's saying: "It incorporates a mix of Karate, Ju jitsu, Kickboxing, Grappling , making it a complete martial arts and fighting system."). |
I'm not sure about anyone else, but if the 'Ryu Bujitsu' course is friendly and reasonably priced and serious then that sounds excellent! It might give you an all round base for self defence. What you'll need to eventually do is work from that to more realistic situations, of course.
Kyokushin-ryu will certainly teach you how to take a punch!
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bushido_man96
KF Sensei
Joined: 31 Mar 2006
Posts: 30188
Location: Hays, KS
Styles: Taekwondo, Combat Hapkido, Aikido, GRACIE, Police Krav Maga, SPEAR
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In my opinion, if you are in a Martial Arts class, you should be learning self-defense. Not everyone thinks this way, though, and its my opinion only. Hopefully what you spend time learning as a Martial Art has a side effect of lending to self-defense abilitiy.
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CredoTe
Red Belt
Joined: 26 Jul 2013
Posts: 776
Location: Ohio, USA
Styles: Matsubayashi-Ryu (Shorin-Ryu), Hung Gar (Hung Siu Lum)
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| In my opinion, if you are in a Martial Arts class, you should be learning self-defense. Not everyone thinks this way, though, and its my opinion only. Hopefully what you spend time learning as a Martial Art has a side effect of lending to self-defense abilitiy. |
Absolutely 
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Ricky Fox
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As for me martial arts is for self defense and a good exercise as well... 
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