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RichardZ
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bushido_man96
KF Sensei
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Location: Hays, KS
Styles: Taekwondo, Combat Hapkido, Aikido, GRACIE, Police Krav Maga, SPEAR
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Who's to say? Every situation is different. Look at Kimbo Slice, who played football in college, then basically got into street fighting. Many think that Brock Lesnar's physicality outweighs his skill at fighting, but he does win. He is also getting better, and is an exerienced collegiate Wrestler.
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sensei8
KF Sensei
Joined: 23 Feb 2008
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Location: Las Vegas, NV
Styles: Shindokan Saitou-ryu [Shuri-te/Okinawa-te based]
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| Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 5:13 pm Post subject: |
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| RichardZ wrote: |
| but can a football player beat up a skilled MMA? |
Why not? Anybody can beat anybody anytime and anyday. No one is unbeatable.
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MMA_Jim
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Joined: 05 Dec 2007
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Location: Philadelphia
Styles: BJJ, Muay Thai
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| Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 12:03 am Post subject: |
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| sensei8 wrote: |
| RichardZ wrote: |
| but can a football player beat up a skilled MMA? |
Why not? Anybody can beat anybody anytime and anyday. No one is unbeatable.
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Look at Bob Sapp vs Fujita for your answer on that one- the chances of a football player beating up a skilled MMA fighter are about as good as that same mma fighter beating the football player in football. |
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RichardZ
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| Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 12:01 am Post subject: |
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| sensei8 wrote: |
| RichardZ wrote: |
| but can a football player beat up a skilled MMA? |
Why not? Anybody can beat anybody anytime and anyday. No one is unbeatable. |
It is no doubt that a person trained in a specialized field will be better than someone even on a casual exposure. |
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sensei8
KF Sensei
Joined: 23 Feb 2008
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Location: Las Vegas, NV
Styles: Shindokan Saitou-ryu [Shuri-te/Okinawa-te based]
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| Look at Bob Sapp vs Fujita for your answer on that one- the chances of a football player beating up a skilled MMA fighter are about as good as that same mma fighter beating the football player in football. |
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| It is no doubt that a person trained in a specialized field will be better than someone even on a casual exposure. |
Yet, the question was...
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RichardZ wrote:
but can a football player beat up a skilled MMA? |
My answer is still...
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| Why not? Anybody can beat anybody anytime and anyday. No one is unbeatable. |
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RichardZ
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My answer is still...
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| Why not? Anybody can beat anybody anytime and anyday. No one is unbeatable. |
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This includes martial artists who think pressure points will work and martial artists with many levels of dan. |
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sensei8
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| RichardZ wrote: |
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My answer is still...
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| Why not? Anybody can beat anybody anytime and anyday. No one is unbeatable. |
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This includes martial artists who think pressure points will work and martial artists with many levels of dan. |
Why say this?
What's your point? I do believe in pressure points and I've many levels of dan.
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WireFrame
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Styles: Shotokan
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Great thread.
Training in a fighting style I think is good ground work for effective self-defence. But self-defence as a whole is all about the situation, evaluating it, and getting out of it. The fighting part of that is only about 10%.
Training to fight can help you prepare your mind (having the mental state and willingness to defend yourself properly) and body (muscle memory, strength, speed, technique if possible), but training in a martial art doesn't always cover issues and ideas like you'd make use of in a bar fight situation - such as using a chair as a weapon or to create distance. Or before that paying attention to someone's hands to see if they're holding anything that could be used as a weapon (knife, pint glass, bottle). Or taking in your surroundings and being aware of other people who could jump in, and your position amongst them.
Self defence and fighting are two different things, but they also overlap. |
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RichardZ
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| WireFrame wrote: |
Great thread.
Training in a fighting style I think is good ground work for effective self-defence. But self-defence as a whole is all about the situation, evaluating it, and getting out of it. The fighting part of that is only about 10%.
Training to fight can help you prepare your mind (having the mental state and willingness to defend yourself properly) and body (muscle memory, strength, speed, technique if possible), but training in a martial art doesn't always cover issues and ideas like you'd make use of in a bar fight situation - such as using a chair as a weapon or to create distance. Or before that paying attention to someone's hands to see if they're holding anything that could be used as a weapon (knife, pint glass, bottle). Or taking in your surroundings and being aware of other people who could jump in, and your position amongst them.
Self defence and fighting are two different things, but they also overlap. |
Grand post. A lot of what I have been alluding to. |
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