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scohen0300
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 03, 2022 8:16 pm    Post subject: Shorin Ryu, switching to Tang Soo Do. Any thoughts? Reply with quote

Hey everyone!

I may not always respond, but I value everyoneís input on here.

Around the time that the pandemic started, I moved away from my home dojo (Matsubayashi Shorin Ryu) and Iíve been practicing on my own ever since. Iíve tried BJJ, but after multiple neck injuries, my body canít handle it. Iíve tried Chito Ryu, but the instructors themselves (not the style) are not the kind of people I want to be around. Otherwise, the only other thing thatís near me is boxing and my passion has always been in the traditional arts, mainly Okinawan karate. Iíd kill for a chance to do Goju Ryu, but nothing in my area.

However, thereís a Tang Soo Do place near me. Their class schedule works out with my work schedule, and I really enjoyed the conversation I had with the instructor. As a plus, theyíve been open for like 30+ years with the same instructor, who made it his full time job awhile ago. They also regularly participate in tournaments, although thatís not a big interest of mine - maybe down the road.

SO, style vs style, how rough do you think my transition could be? I never had an interest in Korean arts but I have no reason for that. The Japanese/okinawan and even the Chinese arts have always been very appealing to me, but not Korean. Not sure why.

Do you have any thoughts? Any experiences with Tang Soo Do that youíd like to share? Again, Iíd appreciate any and all input that you can offer.

For reference, itís the franchise known as CS KIM KARATE in Bethel Park, Pennsylvania - they have multiple locations.

Thank you in advance!
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 04, 2022 7:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

How dare you run away from the almighty Shorin-Ryu. The council shall know about this treason!!!

In all seriousness, the transition is going to depend a lot on your openness to change techniques and the teacher's ability to teach. That they've been doing it for 30 years with success is promising. Tang Soo Do, from my understanding, will be a bit easier to transition to from Shorin-Ryu than if you were going to TKD. The stances are deeper, they might kick more than Shorin, but it's not a rough transition by any means. A lot of TSD dojangs will have similar kata with different names. They practice Naihanchi and the Pinans (called Pyung) so that will be familiar (though they differ in some ways so that's always fun trying to remember to do it the new way).

Overall, it shouldn't be too bad as long as you allow yourself to remain open to the changes. Lean on your experience where it helps, and be accepting of differences.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 04, 2022 11:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, your kicking arsenal will grow. Separation anxiety will rear its confused head because of reeling in unfamiliar methodologies and ideologies. Your body will fight with its new change, and your muscle memory will take over the new methodologies and ideologies, but hopefully just for the moment.

As Bruce was so fond of saying..."Absorb that which is useful, discard the rest." Both MA styles have the pros and cons, as does any other MA. It's the maturity of the practitioner that overcomes that which seems difficult, or unnatural, once on the floor.

I believe that one of the biggest differences, other than the kicking arsenal, is the usage of the hips. Imho, TSD winds-up their hips whereas in Karate, slows it down as itís an extra movement. Also, the hand would more naturally start on its own side of the body, so the Karate version is arguably a more natural starting position.

Change is good; embrace it wholeheartedly.




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PostPosted: Fri Mar 04, 2022 9:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is it Chun Sik Kim's school? I have a book written by him and Joe Goss, and I really enjoyed it. From what I read, the style has many Karate kata that have some slight differences, but still very recognizable. Like Bob mentioned, there will likely be more emphasis on kicking, but not necessarily at the expense of hand techniques. I think you'll enjoy training there.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 05, 2022 12:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow, thank you so much everyone!!

I was thinking WAY too much about this decision. All of your answers inspired me to dive right in. Made a commitment for 6 months to force myself to give it a good try. Thank you so much.

Possible updates!
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 05, 2022 3:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Love this thread and the replies. Good luck on this new direction, Sean!

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 05, 2022 7:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thinking way to much about a thing is my jam. I totally get it. Can't wait to read the updates!
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 16, 2022 12:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

UPDATE!

So I believe itís been 2 weeks since I started training at this place. I love it. Itís very traditional. We start off with bowing and brief meditation, then we do a warm up, followed by practicing our basics while moving up and down the floor - sometimes theyíre basic basics, sometimes theyíre advanced basics, I like the variations. Afterwards, we go over forms (Iíve learned motions 1, 2 and 3 so far) before we finish off with one step sparring. Iíve learned ďhands 1-4Ē and ďfeet 1-4Ē as well for the one steps.

Although the forms seem a little awkward and ďextra,Ē for lack of a better term (at least compared to Shorin Ryu), I really enjoy them regardless. I havenít gotten to their versions of the Pinan kata yet, although they seem fun with extra kicks and bigger movements.

There seems to be a rotation on what we focus on. Some days, we do a LOT of basics in different stances, with a shorter time for forms and one steps. Other days, the focus is on forms, and then another day the focus is on one steps. I like this very much, as we still practice a bit of everything, regardless of what the focus of the day is.

I was *somewhat* surprised to discover that they donít seem to practice any applications from their forms. Occasionally, the head instructor, Master Bruno, will show us what a move is, although we donít get to practice it. This doesnít really bother me because I obsess over bunkai PLENTY in my free time. Iím also open to the fact that, hey, thatís just not how they roll here.

Being a white belt again - oh boy. In some ways, I love it. People donít expect me to know things. I can take my time working on building new habits (like chambering my arms for the low block). Itís kinda fun.

On the other hand, some of the middle ranks see a white belt on me and assume I just donít know anything. Iím trying to be a sponge, so Iím open to anything that anyone has to say. Thereís a green belt that was trying to correct me on something that he hadnít learned yet for himself. Tang Soo Do, though very different, is also VERY similar to Shorin Ryu, or more accurately Shotokan - so Iíve always practiced this the same way. Respecting his rank, I tried to ask him some logic based questions to show him why he wasnít correct, without actually correcting him.

Long story short, a higher belt made their way over and corrected the green belt himself. Then, to make sure I was clear, I had the higher belt re-teach me the same concept. After hearing it from a different point of view - I feel like I understand it even better now! I thought that was absolutely awesome.

I can see myself training here for awhile. The kata are different, but similar enough, that I feel like I can continue my training in Shorin Ryu without overwhelming myself in trying to keep up with two different styles.

Also, Iím trying my best not to be ďthat guy.Ē I remember at my old dojo, weíd have new guys be like ďlol, we usually practice that THIS way.Ē Okay, well now you can do it this new way. Iím trying to be humble, respectful, and accept the fact that in this studio and in this style - things are simply different! What I know to be true elsewhere, may not be true here.

Thanks everyone for encouraging me to begin this new journey!
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 17, 2022 6:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's awesome! It sounds like you've found a really good dojo. I also try hard to "not be that guy" at my current dojo, where I'm going through a similar process. Luckily, they are super interested in the way that I first learned (being that it's just a different branch of Shorin Ryu) so I get to talk about it a lot.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 17, 2022 11:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you for updating us! It sounds like you've got a great attitude and the perfect approach to this new, yet similar, training. Good for you! Enjoy this new step in the journey!
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