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Dobbersky
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 20, 2012 7:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Can I move of in a tangent here. asa we know there are many many Organisations of Shotokan.

But I want to know what is the difference in context between ShotoKAN and ShotoKAI, this was the first split in the house of Funakoshi Sensei after his passing. I seem to see ShotoKAI as closer to Okinawan Kempo than ShotoKAN's Japanese Karate.

Would ShotoKAI to Kyokushin be a better and easier transition than it is for ShotoKAN to Kyokushin

With regards to the ShortoKan karatekas they're were either Kanazawa Sensei Lineage or Enoeda Sensei Lineage
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 20, 2012 1:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It does appear to me that the Shotokan fighters have always had a hands near the waist/midsection, as opposed to being truly up to really guard against an incoming flurry of head shots. They are able to get their hands up to guard to make up for this due to the distance they tend to fight at, in my opinion.

Just throw a monkey wrench into this conversation, here perhaps is a happy medium...decent contact level, along with hand techniques to the head: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Cjm7g72-Yc&list=PLon1GNgZPzV4y3jAy9Z95lJaW1rz8vn3T&index=10&feature=plpp_video

Enjoy!
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 20, 2012 2:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Impressive semi-contact TKD video!
I love how they counter all the flying round kicks with a good punch to the Head. Makes them think twice of being acrobatic instead of Martial.

If TKD and Karate was made to compete on Knockdown rules (like Kyokushin) then they would evolve tremendously as Fighting Arts.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 20, 2012 2:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

TKD has done well evolving as a fighting art, I think. One of the main things lacking is low kicking.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 20, 2012 3:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

JohnnyB wrote:
Impressive semi-contact TKD video!
I love how they counter all the flying round kicks with a good punch to the Head. Makes them think twice of being acrobatic instead of Martial.

If TKD and Karate was made to compete on Knockdown rules (like Kyokushin) then they would evolve tremendously as Fighting Arts.

I can't see the video on my phone but I think I know which one it is. There are full contact TKD tournaments out there. Not as popular as what you see in the video but they do exist. The other thing with what you see is that they are fighting under rules which reward acrobatic kicks because those at the top want the style to evolve towards that so that it moves away from Karate. Also, although semi contact, the majority of fighters in that video are the light to middle weights. The heavyweight fighters are a world away in how they fight and you'll see less spinning and risky moves because there's more risk of getting hurt.

As an aside, if that's the video I think it is, I've trained with a couple of the people shown.

edit: yeah it is the video I thought it was
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 07, 2014 6:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

bassaiguy wrote:
There's this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MBTVhbL3jGs

Guess who's Shotokan.


Both are Kyokushin…

Winner: Nicholas Da Costa
ORGANIZATION: International Federation of Kyokushin

PLACE OF BIRTH: England
DOJO HOMEPAGE: Docklands Dojo http://www.docklandsdojo.co.uk/page4.htm (you can ask him directly about this particular fight)

Tournament History:
4th World Open Karate Tournament 1987 (IKO) - 8th Place (Lost to Akiyoshi Matsui)
3rd World Open Karate Tournament 1984 (IKO) - 6th Place (Lost to Keiji Sanpei)
5th European Championships 1989 (IKO) - 1st Place MW (Defeated Miroslav Zuziak)
4th European Championships 1987 (IKO) - 2nd Place MW (Lost to Peter Smit)
3rd European Championships 1985 (IKO) - 1st Place MW (Defeated Stanislaw Gwidz)
2nd European Championships 1982 (IKO) - 2nd Place MW (Lost to Flemming Jensen)
3rd Ibutz Oyama Cup 1986 (IKO) - 1st Place MW (Defeated Istvan Bodi)
2nd Ibutz Oyama Cup 1985 (IKO) - 1st Place MW (Defeated Glenn Sharpe)
1st Ibutz Oyama Cup 1983 (IKO) - 3rd Place MW
British Open Championships 1986 (IKO) - 1st Place (Defeated Glenn Sharpe)
British Open Championships 1985 (IKO) - 1st Place (Defeated Glenn Sharpe)
British Open Championships 1984 (IKO) - 2nd Place (Lost to Glenn Sharpe)
British Open Championships 1983 (IKO) - 2nd Place (Lost to David Pickthall)
British Open Championships 1982 (IKO) - 1st Place (Defeated Frank Williams)
1st Commonwealth Championships 1988 (IKO) - 1st Place MW (Defeated Peter Collas)
English Open Championships 1983 (IKO) - 1st Place (Defeated N. Smith)
English Open Championships 1982 (IKO) - 1st Place
English Open Championships 1981 (IKO) - 1st Place
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