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PostPosted: Mon Nov 20, 2023 3:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah to reiterate what bushido_man said regarding bjj, size and skill in other arts can make a difference, especially when rules are applied.

From personal experience : one reason i joined bjj in the first place was i got absolutely destroyed by someone about 5'6 and probably60/70lbs lighter than me, with no seeming effort on his part. However, once i had been there a few months, there was another guy who was always a horrendous training partner (tried to hurt people etc) and he did the same with me. Similar size differential - i decided to play his own game and literally grabbed his legs for a guard pass and threw his body off the wall, then settled into side control. Point being that when i decided i could go completely outwith the rules then size helped (also he was less horrendous with me in future!)

Generally i do think that for bjj skill makes the major difference but it is also within the ruleset eg slams. Look at what Rampage famously did to a world class bjj black belt in Arona in Pride years ago. Someone miles better than me and a lot smaller will likely swiftly triangle me and send me to sleep, but if not done right there is a chance i can powerbomb them etc. (though the skilled guy wouold probably finish me easily with something else!)
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 26, 2023 7:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you want to look to an example in the sporting ring, look at Brock Lesnar. His size was a huge advantage after he started learning even just some basic BJJ skills.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 27, 2023 6:24 pm    Post subject: Re: Size vs Skill Reply with quote

bushido_man96 wrote:
Drew wrote:
Here's the deal: if you are trained in BJJ, for example, it is well know you will beat someone who isn't, regardless of any other factors, 99.99 percent of the time.

I don't agree with your percentages there. I don't think BJJ is a panacea like that. I do think it gives you a huge advantage in a fight, but I don't see it as a guarantee of victory.

The same is true of every other sport.

Fighting and sport are not the same thing.

As for fighting, Jack Dempsey once said that 'Game-ness' is what determines the outcome of a fight. Gameness is your dedication to victory at any cost to your health. If you are of a singular purpose, to badly hurt, maim, or kill the enemy, you will win regardless of their size.

With these things in mind, you could have zero training and attack, right out of the gate, with utter nonsense and still win by spazzing every moment, causing injuries to even the eyeballs of the people watching. That's what happened in a recent fight between Nickal Vs. Woodburn. War is heck. Remember that.

This statement seems to be countering your opening statement of the confidence rating of BJJ. If the bigger, stronger person decides to go crazy in the fight in the same way, then the smaller guy loses the advantage it seems.

In physics there's a joke: the 'spherical cow in a vacuum.'

Everything else aside, BJJ is one thing you need to account for. On the other hand, it's well known within the BJJ community that spazzing white belts are the most dangerous thing known to black belts. Paint that spaz in a different light and you might have a deadly problem.

If the stronger, bigger person decides to spaz on the smaller guy, that's no different than if a white belt decided to spaz on a black belt (which doesn't happen that often, there's a lot of social pressure on them most of the time) and the black belt spazzed back. I've watched it happen and it is hard to recover from, no matter who it happens to.
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