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Chikara
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 Posted: Thu Sep 18, 2008 3:06 pm Post subject: Styles from Ninjutsu |
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Hey, I'm just wondering... how many styles of martial arts would you say came from Ninjutsu or made it up? I mean, what makes up Taijutsu and the weapon styles? 
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tenshinka
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| To me, it is unclear, exactly what you are asking...It is pretty much considered that the "legit" ninjutsu styles of today come from Takamitsu Sensei, of which Dr. Hatsumi's Bujinkan, and the Genbukan are the largest. |
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Chikara
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I know there are many different styles OF Ninjutsu. I'm talking about the ones that MAKE UP Ninjutsu; Judo, Aikido, Kendo, etc. I'm just wondering how many would you guess and which ones? And I'm only talking about the weapons and empty hand, not explosives, poisons, or other skills they had.
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bushido_man96
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tenshinka
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| Chikara wrote: |
| I know there are many different styles OF Ninjutsu. I'm talking about the ones that MAKE UP Ninjutsu; Judo, Aikido, Kendo, etc. I'm just wondering how many would you guess and which ones? And I'm only talking about the weapons and empty hand, not explosives, poisons, or other skills they had. |
The answer is none of the above...You are speaking of Kokon Budo...Modern Martial Arts (the DO suffix).
Ninjutsu is older than Aikido, Judo, Kendo, etc. It would be a contemporary of Jujutsu etc. Many of the ninjutsu ryu date back hundreds of years, as independent arts... |
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Chikara
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Look again at it, it says, "Styles that CAME FROM Ninjutsu." I'm not talking about Kokon Budo, I'm talking about how Ninjutsu was broken down and separated into individual disciplines over the centuries. BTW, I'm not mad, just love this color. 
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tenshinka
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| Chikara wrote: |
| Look again at it, it says, "Styles that CAME FROM Ninjutsu." I'm not talking about Kokon Budo, I'm talking about how Ninjutsu was broken down and separated into individual disciplines over the centuries. BTW, I'm not mad, just love this color. |
Oh...well...I would say not many (in any)...Ninpo has been pretty secretive, not open...
Aikido came from Daito Ryu
Judo came from various forms of Jujutsu as studied by Kano sensei.
Karate came from Ryukyu no Te
Kendo/Iaido came from Kenjutsu and Iaijutsu schools (of Samurai) |
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joesteph
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| Posted: Fri Sep 19, 2008 6:59 pm Post subject: Re: Styles from Ninjutsu |
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| Chikara wrote: |
| Hey, I'm just wondering... how many styles of martial arts would you say came from Ninjutsu or made it up? I mean, what makes up Taijutsu and the weapon styles? |
I don't have the background/cultural knowledge that Josh has, Chikara, so when I saw the first part of this question, I wondered about how it could be answered. I'd always thought that Ninjutsu took from other martial arts to form itself, not that it would have been the root of other arts.
I think that Bushido Man's answer goes back to the antiquity of Ninjutsu:
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I would guess that the empty hand techniques stem from a style of Jujitsu of some kind, much like that the Samurai would have learned. |
I wonder if Ninjutsu didn't influence other martial arts over the years, as practitioners of those arts had to deal with Ninjutsu's adherents, and one way to defeat your enemy is not only to know him, but to learn from him.
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Chikara
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Thanks! 
I was just thinking about how the Okinawan fisherman went to China and learned their martial arts and formed To-te and then changed into the 3 main styles of that era Naha-te, Shuri-te, and Temari-te, which then got changed by the practitioners to all these other styles. This is just the history as I was taught.
I guess what I really wanted to know was how Ninjutsu came to be. I'm not learning it, I'm just interested in it. I'll probably do it sometime. It looks too cool not to.
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tenshinka
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Chikara, I am really confused as to what you are wanting to discuss. You started out asing:
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| Hey, I'm just wondering... how many styles of martial arts would you say came from Ninjutsu or made it up? |
Here you ask what "made up" Ninjutsu", then in the same line, as or what styles came from it.
When I replied with my answer in regards to the above questions you then replied:
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Look again at it, it says, "Styles that CAME FROM Ninjutsu." |
Very boldly telling us you now wanted to now what styles "came from" (thus used ninjutsu as source material) ninjutsu...I answered.
Then you change the focus of your question yet again:
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[color=indigo]Thanks!
I was just thinking about how the Okinawan fisherman went to China and learned their martial arts and formed To-te and then changed into the 3 main styles of that era Naha-te, Shuri-te, and Temari-te, which then got changed by the practitioners to all these other styles. This is just the history as I was taught.
I guess what I really wanted to know was how Ninjutsu came to be. I'm not learning it, I'm just interested in it. I'll probably do it sometime. It looks too cool not to. |
Okinawan Te has nothing to do with the history of mainland ninjutsu.
I have already answered where Ninjutsu came from, i.e. how it came to be...which is the first answer I offered that you turned down....
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