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Sin Style
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 21, 2002 10:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

im now starting up martial arts and im looking at place's in my area ive found one that teaches shotokan in the army my mate reckons this is different from normal shotokan karate, which is better ?

also another place that teaches taishindo karate is this any good i aint read everything about it
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G95champ
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 21, 2002 1:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would be shocked if Shotokan was taught in the US Army. Becasue its focus on low stances is not exactly combat ready. Most Shotokan students don't really become good fighters till later in their traing. The army wants the the best bang from the buck. ( BTW Im a Shotokan person myself.) I would expect the army to do more what the police do a mix of Akkido and Judo.

Funakoshi did teach the army in Japan before WWII so that may be where that comes from.

Because of the low stacnces, work on kata, and lack of weapons Shotokan is not want I would want to train the army in.



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rabid hamster
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 21, 2002 10:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think your learn BJJ in the army... Someone told me that once.
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G95champ
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 21, 2002 10:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would really doubt that and here is why.

BJJ is groud combat. If you are in a battle as soon as you go the ground you become open for another person to stab you in the back or shoot you. Going to the gound is great if its one on one but when mass numbers of people are involved its the last thing you want.

Akkido and Hipkido give you a lot of quick throws and breaks. Along with some good stick and knife defense. Judo gives you enough throws and take downs to work on the battlefield.

Again Im guessing some combo of Akido and Judo with a touch of Hipikido is what we use. Im not saying they don't use soem BJJ moves but Ill bet money its not BJJ.....



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PostPosted: Sat Jun 22, 2002 1:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Granted, its been a while since Basic Training (1991.), but we did one day of hand to hand combat. Hip throws, punches, and palm heel strikes. Two days of Bayinet (butt stroke, slash, block), and, my favourite, a morning of pugil stick (otherwise known as the "Q-Tip"). Pugil stick was quite easy to use Bo techniques with, although I was pulled from my only match for sweeping my opponent's legs out from under him. Bad soldier, bad bad!
I guess teh Marines use a form of pseudo-jujutsu (or so the Discovery channel tells me ).
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Sin Style
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 22, 2002 5:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

i know some martial arts are based on certain army training

krav maga - israeli
ROSS and SAMBO - russian
san shou - chinese
tukong moosli - south korean

also ive read that US army's is based on ju-jitsu
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 22, 2002 5:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm guessing your refering to the Brit Army since your from England. I think they are just taught silent killing techniques, and the special forces do something called jap slapping or something, where you do anything.
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Sin Style
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 22, 2002 5:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

well what i meant at the start was is shotokan in the army a style as that what the guy said he teaches not shotokan karate, shotokan in the army i was wondering what is different, i guess i could have wrote it better.

when i was training to be in the marine's the marine used to just throw us about and joint lock our arms and stuff. i dont the Brittish army does a martial arts as at the start he said "anyone do martial arts ?" whoever put the hand up became a test dummy all day
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 22, 2002 5:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

maybe special forces like the SAS should learn ninjutsu/ninpo
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 22, 2002 6:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The army teaches very basic stuff with your hands. Elite and special forces dont do a specific martial art its just a selction of holds, locks and throws to either keep someone under control or to kill them. Whoever told you about shotokan army is just speaking a load of bull****

try out http://www.24fightingchickens.com to find out about shotokan.

Taishindo: http://www.taishindo.co.uk

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[ This Message was edited by: Eye of the Tiger on 2002-06-22 08:04 ]
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