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spinninggumby
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There are so many different types of people in the martial arts community. There seem to be those strict traditionalists who look down upon sport-oriented styles and change, and then there are those liberals and probably a billion more categories in between. However, you cannot ignore that philosophy and ideology is a major part of many traditional martial arts.
There are some people here to seem to think that if you practice martial arts, the only and best way is to go for self-defense with the ability to grind the attacker to a pulp in a matter of seconds or split seconds. I know I've probably beat this topic to death and it is just my personal opinion but I feel that martial arts has so much else to offer besides killing or maiming others when they start to hit on your girlfriend/boyfriend or throw some haymaker punch at you in a bar.
Anonymous One, you are an interesting case, in which you believe in traditional training yet you shun the philosophy that goes along with it, aiming for complete and utter efficiency in a practical 'battlefield type environment'. That is fine, that is definitely one side that you can focus on, but there is nothing wrong with appreciating or focusing on all the other aspects. If people never broke from tradition, we would never have had phones or computers for that matter. Breaking from tradition, in my very humble opinion, is necessary for change, and change is inevitable. Traditional basketball was played with peach baskets as opposed to actual nets. I for one feel it was fortunate that they switched. And yes, I would have to agree with some people who posted earlier and say that an M-16 and a couple rail guns might do a bit better on the battlefield than an ultra-powerful well-timed kick or punch or strike. So to play devil's advocate and add another side to this, if self-defense was your primary and main purpose why not just buy a gun? There are many sides and many reasons to why people do what they do. Don't dog it just cuz it's not what u prefer. If everybody was the same here, there would be no point in reading everyone's posts. At least, once again, that is IMHO. 
(btw yes I know I need to learn how to type in more paragraphs)
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SaiFightsMS
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Joined: 28 Oct 2001
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Styles: Shotokan, Shorin Ryu, Shi-to Ryu
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The weapon should fit the battlefield. There are many fields of battle and many weapons. An M16, which I have trained with by the way, is an inappropriate tool for a simple barfight.
The first and most important battlefield everyone faces is the one within themselves. Until that battle is faced can any other battle truly be won.
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spinninggumby
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M-16 innapropriate for bar fight? What bars do you go to?
hehehe  
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spinninggumby
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M-16 innapropriate for bar fight? What bars do you go to?
hehehe
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spinninggumby
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| btw I don't mean to post things twice. I am just really stupid with computers. Went through 7 1/2 months of intense tech training and all I got was some stupid certificate and the ability to type fast. |
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taezee
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spinning gumby......a.k.a XEROX MAN...
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SaiFightsMS
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Don't worry about double postings SpinningGumby. Sometimes when you hit submit and get the "this page cannot be displayed screen" it is easy to double post. You know you go back and do it again. And sometimes a double post occurs.
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AnonymousOne
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Anonymous One, you are an interesting case, in which you believe in traditional training yet you shun the philosophy that goes along with it, aiming for complete and utter efficiency in a practical 'battlefield type environment'. That is fine, that is definitely one side that you can focus on, but there is nothing wrong with appreciating or focusing on all the other aspects. If people never broke from tradition, we would never have had phones or computers for that matter. Breaking from tradition, in my very humble opinion, is necessary for change, and change is inevitable. Traditional basketball was played with peach baskets as opposed to actual nets. I for one feel it was fortunate that they switched. And yes, I would have to agree with some people who posted earlier and say that an M-16 and a couple rail guns might do a bit better on the battlefield than an ultra-powerful well-timed kick or punch or strike. So to play devil's advocate and add another side to this, if self-defense was your primary and main purpose why not just buy a gun? There are many sides and many reasons to why people do what they do. Don't dog it just cuz it's not what u prefer. If everybody was the same here, there would be no point in reading everyone's posts. At least, once again, that is IMHO.
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To me, its just a fighting art and I firmly believe that if one wants to explore a religious type aspect it should be separate. Thats only my opinion. I have my own religious beliefs that I feel should not be forced upon students I had at one time.
I dont believe right from the beginning that martial arts was developed for self enlightenment but for survival purposes.
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brighthand
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Location: Arizona
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| All I have to say is that without spirit you cannot prevail, no matter what the endeavor. |
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shotochem
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Yes, you need spirt to fight as for spirituality
Ill pray for my enemies soul and forgiveness after he is neutralized. IMHO religion should be a personal thing and should not be practiced in a dojo. There are many people of different religions who should not have someone elses belief pushed on them. If Iwant to pray I go to church.
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on the post.
