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stonecrusher69
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bushido_man96
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Alan Armstrong
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Bong Sao is an exception to the Wing Chun, fixed elbow Principle.
Second principle regarding Bong Sao, is that it should always be accompanied by the other hand, usally the Wu Sao.
Bong Sao can be used as a bridge but without the other hand in use, the bridge becomes available to the opponent.
Using the Bong Sao without backup is called Wrong Bong! Also using it incorrectly is called "Bong-Chor-Sao" (Inside gate)
The Bong Sao is also known (from what it looks like as) "Chicken Wing Arm" yet Bong Sao's real meaning is "Flanking Arm" correctly used on the (Outside gate)
(Sau and Sao mean the same thing as hand or arm)
Gary Lamb correct and wrong BONG SAO
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=w_3CAsOcX0U
As all hand movements are multidimensional in Wing Chun and not fix, the combinations are many; for example as, there are no blocks in Wing Chun due to the limitations put upon the movement.
This is how and why the hand movements in Wing Chun are practiced to be deceptive and effective.
Thefore Bong Gaun or any other hand movement with a Bong doesn't need to be overly emphasized, otherwise Wing Chun will be over complicated instead of its MO of simplifying.
If a "Bong Gaun" is a hybrid, then so are these "Bong Bui" "Bong Wu" "Bong Chang" ...
Perhaps "advanced Wing Chun" would phrase the mixed ideas without additional confusion, otherwise a hybrid of a hybrid would be a "Bong Bui Wu Chang"
From the first Wing Chun form "Sil Lien Tau" Little Idea Form.
As what is being called here as a hybrid, is in actuality "Dai Lien Tao" Big idea which is built up from the little ideas in the Sil Lium Tau form.
Tao and Tau mean the same thing "The way" usually known as, the right way of doing things.
As Bruce Lee used the term JKD, as this is nothing original, it is also %100 Wing Chun.
As Wing Chun is the name of a girl using the way of the intercepting fist. |
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stonecrusher69
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The Bong Sao am using with the Gan is not functing as a Bong Sao it function more like a lan sao but with a Bong sao shape.
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Alan Armstrong
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| The Bong Sao am using with the Gan is not functing as a Bong Sao it function more like a lan sao but with a Bong sao shape. |
First point)
In this video:
Wing Chun Masterclass by Leo Au Yeung
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4f6WNa4OipA
He is doing what you are saying but it is still only a Bong Sao.
(Leo Au Yeung is the fight coordinator for the Ip Man movies)
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Second point)
Also in the first video link by Sifu Gary Lamb, he explained about the inside bong and outside bong pressure, when cannot go left or right, then go straight ahead (This is using a Bong Sao like a Lan Sao)
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Third point)
As the three seeds of Wing Chun is the Taun-Fook-Bong.
Lan comes from the Bong seed.
Therefore to use a Bong Sao like a Lan Sao doesn't change anything.
A Bong Sao is only a reaction movement, that needs to become something, such as transforming into a forward energy Lan Sao for instance.
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Fourth point)
How and what advantages does this hybrid of yours have over what already exists?
How does this hybrid work better against bigger or faster opponents, or is it something more tactical in nature?
Does this hybrid simplify Wing Chun or complicate it? |
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