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PostPosted: Mon Aug 12, 2019 9:36 pm    Post subject: Tiger Swallow Fist/Koen-Kon style kung fu... Reply with quote

Its a martial arts style that takes after the fierce attack of tiger and the quick and unpredictable movements of a swallow bird. This martial arts style is very obscure and rare and lives and thrives in video games but there is one book that confirms its existence. Its called Mantis Boxing- tiger swallow.

Other than that, there is a kung fu form called little tiger swallow but its just like a kata/form and not a style. I am curios to know if anyone has encountered someone who does have this style?


The Japanese pronounce fist as ken but Chinese pronounce it as con or quan depending on accent. But all translate to tiger swallow fist.

I ask because its odd that it is so popular in fiction but so obscure in real life. The oddity comes from the fact that there are other kung fu styles that can be more suited for fiction that are based on powerful entities like demons and dragons but this one seems to be very popular while being based on two common real life animals.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 14, 2019 5:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hello Himokiri; thanks for sharing.

Tiger Swallow form.
https://youtu.be/FNgT1RQbtnA

I believe to take the essence of the Tiger and also the Swallow, then combine them.

As they both have formidable virtues that can be adapted together for a complete combat fighting system.

As living in a high rise, Swallows fly close by my window; similar to this
https://youtu.be/oIRRMxGq800

however the Tigers are lounging in the local zoo.

Swallows are super fast and can change directions instantly.

A super efficient bird drinking while in flight and can have a quick shower in a second.
https://youtu.be/bKZXs0HVSL0

Having endurance to fly for over 1000 miles none stop and can adapt to server circumstances.
https://youtu.be/lPWEKUQLb9Y
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 18, 2019 9:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alan Armstrong wrote:
Hello Himokiri; thanks for sharing.

Tiger Swallow form.
https://youtu.be/FNgT1RQbtnA

I believe to take the essence of the Tiger and also the Swallow, then combine them.

As they both have formidable virtues that can be adapted together for a complete combat fighting system.

As living in a high rise, Swallows fly close by my window; similar to this
https://youtu.be/oIRRMxGq800

however the Tigers are lounging in the local zoo.

Swallows are super fast and can change directions instantly.

A super efficient bird drinking while in flight and can have a quick shower in a second.
https://youtu.be/bKZXs0HVSL0

Having endurance to fly for over 1000 miles none stop and can adapt to server circumstances.
https://youtu.be/lPWEKUQLb9Y


Awesome, its amazing because its like two fighters combined. One is quick and unpredictable and the other is direct but powerful.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 19, 2019 5:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tiger and Swallow, seems like combining speed, strength, timing, endurance, accuracy and agility.

The Swallow remind me of mankind's latest invention, the wingsuit
https://youtu.be/T0MshjaCLTk

What would the fighting monks of old, have thought of this type of imitation?

Tigers are a Yin/Yang animal hence the stripes, as they (contrary to cats) swim and enjoy water.
https://youtu.be/sMnK63ppBXU

As cats like to sleep and lounging where as swallows are constantly active and flying.

Roaring Tiger Swallow Form
https://youtu.be/KGoKcVo0Exg

Little Tiger Swallow Form
https://youtu.be/-2hutfDXc0Y

The Tiger's Movements Like A Flying Swallow Form
https://youtu.be/ZRJS7C6_fnw

Roaring Tiger Swallow Form performed by a master
https://youtu.be/WwmwonZLA88
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 06, 2019 8:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alan Armstrong wrote:
Tiger and Swallow, seems like combining speed, strength, timing, endurance, accuracy and agility.

The Swallow remind me of mankind's latest invention, the wingsuit
https://youtu.be/T0MshjaCLTk

What would the fighting monks of old, have thought of this type of imitation?

Tigers are a Yin/Yang animal hence the stripes, as they (contrary to cats) swim and enjoy water.
https://youtu.be/sMnK63ppBXU

As cats like to sleep and lounging where as swallows are constantly active and flying.

Roaring Tiger Swallow Form
https://youtu.be/KGoKcVo0Exg

Little Tiger Swallow Form
https://youtu.be/-2hutfDXc0Y

The Tiger's Movements Like A Flying Swallow Form
https://youtu.be/ZRJS7C6_fnw

Roaring Tiger Swallow Form performed by a master
https://youtu.be/WwmwonZLA88



Thank you friend for the links. I have Mantis Boxing, Tiger Swallow book and it got some good moves but I am not sure if its related to the Tiger Swallow Fist.

Its odd that this style has become so popular in fiction. I mean, there are tons of styles that sound more formidable that are also real than tiger swallow fist but for some odd reason its being associated by powerful antagonist despite not really being an evil style per say like Dim Mak or Demon or spider Style which are allegedly real styles or ideas.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 07, 2019 6:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here is a word that really relates to this topic

Both for the Swallow and Tiger

tenacity

the quality or fact of being able to grip something firmly; grip.
synonyms: persistence, pertinacity, determination, perseverance, doggedness, tenaciousness, single-mindedness, strength of will, firmness of purpose, strength of purpose, fixity of purpose, bulldog spirit, tirelessness, indefatigability, resolution, resoluteness, resolve, firmness, patience, purposefulness, staunchness, steadfastness, constancy, staying power, application, diligence, assiduity, sedulousness, insistence, relentlessness, inexorability, inexorableness, implacability,

Tiger Swallow sounds like an intersting mix.

Personally, slipping in to a character and getting the right mind set works.

Something actors do to help get in to and play the part.

Switching to Dragon for instance, helps with appearing and disappearing at will, bobbin, weavin, slipping, flanking.

Also related to Dragon is sky and ocean, which connects to throws and takedowns.

Dragon techniques movements are more tendon based, putting strength into play.

Dragon being mythical with no real equal on Earth, is another aspect, to be able to have something extra ordinary beyond what is considered normal.

Tapping in to a persona of one type or another, be it Tiger, Swallow or Dragon IMHO is a very valid and useful method of going beyond mediocre limitations.
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